02 Sep 05
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if we (as a site) are in favour of Zero tolerance of cheats, why do we allow people to play using published analysis. Surely this is cheating pure and simple. Especially as most GMs use chess engines in their analysis workflow. Shouldn't chess be a meeting of 2 minds?
3rd party help is cheating however you want to dress it up!
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Ok I accept my games may well be a meeting of 1 and a half minds
🙂
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by SirUlrich"f" ?
f we (as a site) are in favour of Zero tolerance of cheats, why do we allow people to play using published analysis. Surely this is cheating pure and simple. Especially as most GMs use chess engines in their analysis workflow. Shouldn't chess be a meeting of 2 minds?
3rd party help is cheating however you want to dress it up!
Edit@
Ok I accept my games may well be a meeting of 1 and a half minds
🙂
02 Sep 05
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Originally posted by SirUlrichTotally agree. I have never read, or intend to read a chess book. How boring! I would be asleep before I finished reading the title of the first chapter. Got better things to do with my time than bother with that.
f we (as a site) are in favour of Zero tolerance of cheats, why do we allow people to play using published analysis. Surely this is cheating pure and simple. Especially as most GMs use chess engines in their analysis workflow. Shouldn't chess be a meeting of 2 minds?
3rd party help is cheating however you want to dress it up!
Edit@
Ok I accept my games may well be a meeting of 1 and a half minds
🙂
And if you use a engine then what’s the point? You don’t gain anything from it. It might look good for the outsider looking in but you know that you have cheated so what do you get from it. At least when I win a game I get satisfaction out of it because I know that it is by my own powers of logic/deduction/luck that I have got there. Ok, my rating is crap compared with many, but what the heck. I'm here for the beer and the fun. If I win its a bonus
02 Sep 05
The difference is.. the TOS says databases and books are allowed.. and chess engines are not. Cheating is when you are not following the rules of play.. if the rules state books and databses allowed, then thats allowed..
This isn't a debate of the ToS., because.. those have been accepted when you joined the site.. else, you were not to join...
If its not acceptable to people now.. then ask for a refund and leave.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by SirUlrich😴😴😴
if we (as a site) are in favour of Zero tolerance of cheats, why do we allow people to play using published analysis. Surely this is cheating pure and simple. Especially as most GMs use chess engines in their analysis workflow. Shouldn't chess be a meeting of 2 minds?
3rd party help is cheating however you want to dress it up!
Edit@
Ok I accept my games may well be a meeting of 1 and a half minds
🙂
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by MIODudeOr just leave .
The difference is.. the TOS says databases and books are allowed.. and chess engines are not. Cheating is when you are not following the rules of play.. if the rules state books and databses allowed, then thats allowed..
This isn't a debate of the ToS., because.. those have been accepted when you joined the site.. else, you were not to join...
If its not acceptable to people now.. then ask for a refund and leave.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by SirUlrichNot me! I confess nothing!
So everyone in this thread, excluding me, admits using 3rd party help. Where as I just use my natural genius
I could be number one on this site, once you are all exposed
God I am so great it hurts
You'll never take me alive!
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by phil nutleyIf you don't care about learning new things it's your business.
Totally agree. I have never read, or intend to read a chess book. How boring! I would be asleep before I finished reading the title of the first chapter.
Chess books are allowed because they are a great help for beginners willing to learn and not remaining forever patzers who don't know how to mate with a rook.
I fail to see how chess books are considered cheating,you guys have lost your mind here.
02 Sep 05
Originally posted by Checkmate187In your profile, you state you use books and databases extensively, but not engines.. Surely someone of your rating should know the difference in how well you would play the game with one over the other? Are you saying that when you are about 20-25 moves in, you can find books and games that perfectly match the games you are in?
How can someone distinguish a player using opening books and databases and someone using a program?
I would very much like to know the answer to this.