14 Sep 06
Originally posted by Knight SquareI'm appalled* at your rating.
cmsMaster, I am apaulled by what you just said. After calling this thread stupid you still post on this thread. You practically called everyone on this thread stupid. If we are below you, you may leave, go to a thread which is good for you.
Anyway I found the name of it, and really is a official opening. The Saragossa Opening. It was given a descri ...[text shortened]... , dull, line of the modern. It must be a very new opening. Follows Hypermodern chess, in a way??
I don't consider it hypermodern, though someone will probably argue it.
Any first move is an official opening.
14 Sep 06
Originally posted by Sicilian Smaugsome people prefer black because they get to counterattack, what if that is the purpose of the opening? not all openings attack the middle immediately
Yes, playing c3 is asking to be raped in the centre.
1.c3? d5/e5 And black might as well be white.
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by Knight SquareMy database has 71 games with 1. c3. The most successful counter for black is 1...d5 winning 54.5%, with white taking 36.4% (not many draws). There are only 5 transpositioned games.
I have to ask you, is it a official opening and is it a one to be considered? I believe it is a bad opening because it blocks the Knight devolopment. What do you say? Raman?.
I can tell you it ain't no shoe-in for black, and I agree with BigDoggProblem;
This is the one reason I can see people playing 1.c3: to bait the opponent into pressing too hard to 'refute' the 'unsound' opening.
Some players seemed accustomed to regular defenses when playing black, and in some of the games got into trouble quickly.
One move by black to "take center" yields a win for white in 55.6% of the games with 33.3% ending in draws.
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by xsI think there is a problem with the databases when you get into "inferior" openings.
My database has 71 games with 1. c3. The most successful counter for black is 1...d5 winning 54.5%, with white taking 36.4% (not many draws). There are only 5 transpositioned games.
I can tell you it ain't no shoe-in for black, and I agree with BigDoggProblem;
[i]This is the one reason I can see people playing 1.c3: to bait the opponent into pressing too ha ...[text shortened]... to "take center" yields a win for white in 55.6% of the games with 33.3% ending in draws.
According to the databases 1. g4 wins 61.7% of the time. The only more successful first moves for white are Nh3 and Na3.
Does this mean that these are the best opening moves? No, certainly not. It may mean that they contain a certain surprise value. But, in my opinion, it is even more likely that it means that they tend to get used against inferior opponents.
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by Knight SquareI don't know if it has a name, but i would say white has plenty of transpositional possibilities with a pawn on c3. That said, there are heaps of better first moves. Black is left to develop at leasure which generally speaking should be avoided...
I have to ask you, is it a official opening and is it a one to be considered? I believe it is a bad opening because it blocks the Knight devolopment. What do you say? Raman?
16 Sep 06
Originally posted by Knight SquareKnight Square;
Well any suggestions of variations to the Saragossa?
I read up a reply would be 1. ... d5 and so on.
Go to http://www.chesslive.de/
Move 1.c3 (by holding down mouse and release on square)
click the Search button...quite a few games there.
The Nguyen games with Qc2 are interesting.(To organize by name, press white button) I was suprised to find that one of my favorite players M Basman went 1-0 against it.
THE SARAGOSSA OPENING - White pushes his (or her) Queen's Bishop's Pawn a square to support a planned 2.P-Q4 in a sound but less ambitious flank opening, rarely played although popular at the Saragossa Chess Club in Spain in 1919. White seeks a reversed Caro-Kann or Slav but Black, if proficient, should equalise without trouble.
http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/saro-01b.htm