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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
You raise a very important question!

I don't know if the advantage of the two B's can in fact be exploited. I was just suggesting that since virtually all masters consider a Bishop to be worth more that a knight in most positions, that unless there is something special in the position under discussion that makes that generality not apply, that W ...[text shortened]... takes precedence over evaluating a position merely on the basis of some general rule of thumb.
In current position black central pawns will compensate white bishop pair, as white will not be able to keep d6 square.

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Originally posted by Korch
In current position black central pawns will compensate white bishop pair, as white will not be able to keep d6 square.
That makes sense. Thanks for the insight!

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[gid]4969103 [/gid]

a Nbd7 taimanov benoni

9Nf3 also possible is the immediate e6 leading to the extremely tactical 2 minors for a rook & pawn trade.

11Be2 incorrect, Bd3 seems stronger and would have avoided the tactic eventually started on ...12 b5.

...18 Qe7 better than Qb6 with 19Nf2 ...Rae8 20Nc4 repels the queen

22Qa2? Why not Nb5, if ...Rb8 Ra5 and the black Queen cannot help without abandoning the Rook on the 2nd rank

Please comment if you notice other important possible variations, or inaccuracies in these.

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Originally posted by dzhafner
[gid]4969103 [/gid]

a Nbd7 taimanov benoni

9Nf3 also possible is the immediate e6 leading to the extremely tactical 2 minors for a rook & pawn trade.

11Be2 incorrect, Bd3 seems stronger and would have avoided the tactic eventually started on ...12 b5.

...18 Qe7 better than Qb6 with 19Nf2 ...Rae8 20Nc4 repels the queen

22Qa2? Why not Nb5, if . ...[text shortened]... k

Please comment if you notice other important possible variations, or inaccuracies in these.
Game 4969103

8...Nbd7? is no good as white can start decisive attack after 9.e5! (instead of 9.Nf3 in game). The correct move is 8...Nfd7!

14.a3? is no good - better was 14.Bf3.

14...b4?! is inaccurate - better was 14...Nxd5! 15.exd5 Bxc3 with Rxe2.

16.Nd1? is bad - why not 16.Na4 where knight would not make trouble for other pieces to coordinate?

17.exd5? is capitulation - white had to try make some activities by 17.f5!? which could give some practical chances.

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1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 is the not so well known Clarendon Court defence.Provided you keep an eye on your weak e6 square it is perfectly playable and leads to exciting games.Tukmakov used it to beat Lputian in 1994.

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Originally posted by drumian
1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 is the not so well known Clarendon Court defence.Provided you keep an eye on your weak e6 square it is perfectly playable and leads to exciting games.Tukmakov used it to beat Lputian in 1994.
And what will you suggest after 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4! ?

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
You raise a very important question!

I don't know if the advantage of the two B's can in fact be exploited. I was just suggesting that since virtually all masters consider a Bishop to be worth more that a knight in most positions, that unless there is something special in the position under discussion that makes that generality not apply, that W ...[text shortened]... takes precedence over evaluating a position merely on the basis of some general rule of thumb.
Knight versus bishop depends completely on the position. And there are loads of possible positions. Squillions. The knight and bishop each have their own pros and cons- the knight is easier to manouevre short-range through jumping, can fork pieces dangerously at any point, the bishop can cover a8 and h1 at the same time, for example. I know I am not the strongest player but I am still entitled to my own opinion. And Capablanca: Q+N is superior to Q+B because generally the bishop is just an extension of the queen. The knight is the only piece that can move to spaces the queen cannot (except en passant and castling! 😉)

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Originally posted by drumian
1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 is the not so well known Clarendon Court defence.Provided you keep an eye on your weak e6 square it is perfectly playable and leads to exciting games.Tukmakov used it to beat Lputian in 1994.
Tukmakov and Lputian don't ring bells with me I'm afraid. 😳 A more modern or famous example please? Fischer? Kasparov? Kramnik? Anand? Topalov? Ivanchuk? Morozevich? Svidler? Gelfand? Carlsen? Grischuk? Shirov? Khalifman? Yusupov? Xiangxhi?
If you could post the games here that would be much appreciated. Thanks. 🙂

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Originally posted by Korch
And what will you suggest after 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4! ?
3...fxe4 followed by ...Nf6 & ...g6

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
3...fxe4 followed by ...Nf6 & ...g6
After 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4 fxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 white will get Staunton gambit in better version that in main line (1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3) where 4...d5 is considered the best option for black.

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Sorry I don't know of any famous or modern examples for you.I'm only a 1600 graded player,but I have had some success over the board mainly because of surprise value and have gained time on the clock.It may well be unsound but at club level it has served me well.

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Originally posted by drumian
Sorry I don't know of any famous or modern examples for you.I'm only a 1600 graded player,but I have had some success over the board mainly because of surprise value and have gained time on the clock.It may well be unsound but at club level it has served me well.
In club level you can afford to play almost every opening which you know much better than your opponent.

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Originally posted by Korch
After 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4 fxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 white will get Staunton gambit in better version that in main line (1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3) where 4...d5 is considered the best option for black.
5...exf3 6.Nxf3 g6 then for instance 7.Bg5 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 is perfectly ok for Black though isn't it? Black does have issues, but also has good central control & open lines.



...d6 to follow is the plan.

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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
5...exf3 6.Nxf3 g6 then for instance 7.Bg5 Bg7 8.Qd2 0-0 is perfectly ok for Black though isn't it? Black does have issues, but also has good central control & open lines.

[fen]rnbq1rk1/pp1pp1bp/5np1/2pP2B1/8/2N2N2/PPPQ2PP/R3KB1R w - - 0 1[/fen]

...d6 to follow is the plan.
After 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 3.e4 fxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 exf3 6.Nxf3 g6 I would aim my bishop to kingside with 7.Bd3 for example 7...Bg7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Ng5

White can make very uncomfortable pressure on black kingside and/or e-file which seems to be more than enough compensation for pawn.

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After 5.f3 Black can give the pawn back with 5. e3 and contiue with his developement.

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