10 Nov 11
Originally posted by moon1969While it may be true that black can often find equality from a Slav or Semi-Slav game I would have to argue that it is not so simple to find moves if you aren't well versed on the lines. In fact, part of the reason that the Slav/Semi can be so successful is because it offers massive complications where either player can slip into a losing position quite easily.
In response to 1.d4, I always reply 1. . . d5 and do the slav or semi-slav against the QG, and enjoy it with good chances of equality. In the slav/semi-slav, I often do an early dxc4 (it has a QGA feel) sometimes even keep the gambit pawn, which I like to do. If white does an early e3, I gain tempo with pawn to b5 after white Bxc4. Of course, there are a ...[text shortened]... comfortably with easy equality. Sometimes exceed equality when I do an early c5, for example.
10 Nov 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis might be a little nitpicky, but I think the Dutch part is not quite accurate. The Classical, Stonewall, and Leningrad Dutch are all played successfully by good players. They are not for everyone, though, endoresements by Morphy and Botvinnik notwithstanding.
ok, go the Nimzo or the Queens Indian, the positions are quite rich and good, or the Budapest Gambit or the Albin counter gambit. f5 is suicide unless your willing to play b6 and Bb7.
My real issue is the second part:
If black can indeed play ...f5 and successfully get in ...b6 and ...Bb7, then he will do fine, but it is practically impossible to enforce in the Dutch move order, as white can easily prevent it.
At the GM level, when we see a black position with ...f5, ...e6, and ...b6, it almost invariably comes from the Queen's Indian Defense, where ...f5 is the last of those three moves to be played.
10 Nov 11
Originally posted by Paul LeggettIts seems to me great and illustrious Leggy, that natural play against the Dutch is aimed against the very bishop in question, which after ..f5 must find something to be doing, denied its natural home on f5 itself, it must be either entombed behind the pawns or reach its zenith on b7 me thinks, what else shall it be doing?
This might be a little nitpicky, but I think the Dutch part is not quite accurate. The Classical, Stonewall, and Leningrad Dutch are all played successfully by good players. They are not for everyone, though, endoresements by Morphy and Botvinnik notwithstanding.
My real issue is the second part:
If black can indeed play ...f5 and successfully g ...[text shortened]... mes from the Queen's Indian Defense, where ...f5 is the last of those three moves to be played.
10 Nov 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think you are very much correct, and that is the Dutch's biggest challenge. In practice, though, the f5 pawn rarely remains there long, and is often advanced or exchanged off.
Its seems to me great and illustrious Leggy, that natural play against the Dutch is aimed against the very bishop in question, which after ..f5 must find something to be doing, denied its natural home on f5 itself, it must be either entombed behind the pawns or reach its zenith on b7 me thinks, what else shall it be doing?
(Of course, the Stonewall is a whole different order of magnitude- the c8 bishop is almost never comfortable in the opening.)
It is very much to black's advantage to play ...b6 and ...Bb7 if he can get away with it, but accurate play from white will prevent it, which is the problem.
10 Nov 11
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Originally posted by Paul Leggetti bet you could get away with in blitz, ninety percent of the time! people get away with
I think you are very much correct, and that is the Dutch's biggest challenge. In practice, though, the f5 pawn rarely remains there long, and is often advanced or exchanged off.
(Of course, the Stonewall is a whole different order of magnitude- the c8 bishop is almost never comfortable in the opening.)
It is very much to black's advantage to pla ...[text shortened]... f he can get away with it, but accurate play from white will prevent it, which is the problem.
murder at blitz! you could hide an illegal whiskey factory in a blitz game of chess and
get away with it, unreal man, totally unreal.
12 Nov 11
Originally posted by Paul LeggettSometimes f5 is so strong you have to sac on e4 to dislodge that pesky pawn and split up blacks structure into three islands.
I think you are very much correct, and that is the Dutch's biggest challenge. In practice, though, the f5 pawn rarely remains there long, and is often advanced or exchanged off.
(Of course, the Stonewall is a whole different order of magnitude- the c8 bishop is almost never comfortable in the opening.)
It is very much to black's advantage to pla ...[text shortened]... f he can get away with it, but accurate play from white will prevent it, which is the problem.
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13 Nov 11
Originally posted by UnderPromoteTrue.
While it may be true that black can often find equality from a Slav or Semi-Slav game I would have to argue that it is not so simple to find moves if you aren't well versed on the lines. In fact, part of the reason that the Slav/Semi can be so successful is because it offers massive complications where either player can slip into a losing position quite easily.
I do like doing b5 and keeping the gambit pawn in the rate case.
While complicated, I find that c6 gives me the best chance against the QG with careful play.