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Originally posted by WulebgrAnd sometimes they go well for white Game 939468
Sometimes the Bird goes well for black:
[Event "Clan league"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2006.03.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Bird Fan"]
[Black "Lucky Man"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A02"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nc3 *
Black to move, mate in three.
[fen]rnbqk1nr/ppp2ppp/3b4/8/8/2N5/PPPPP1PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - 0 4[/fen]
or ok for white Game 1127945 I knew we had played some games; but I had to go look them up to remember how I did. Consider this an opening for a rematch. 🙂
4. Nc3 is nothing but a blunder of the highest order in the froms gambit.
Originally posted by TenguUmm... I really dislike 1. f4. I feel like it just equalizes for black real easily by playing the dutch reversed. I know White gets the dutch with an extra tempo, but the dutch is not really considered a best reply for black nowadays and the dutch is an opening where in most variations one tempo doesnt really matter. If black just plays d5 and c5 then white really fails to put any pressure on black. it's not a bad move and it's certainly playable, but why spend time learning 1. f4 when that energy can be invested into learning e4 or d4 lines where white really gets good pressure and winning chances? i guess variety is the spice of life and if you like f4, well go for it, i just wouldnt recomend it to anyone else.
I've recently discovered 1. f4 via IM Tim Taylors book "Bird's Opening"
He actually makes a very good case for employing it:
1) Its unusual. You are more likely to be in your own prep than your opponents.
2) Its a Dutch defence WITH AN EXTRA TEMPO!!!
3) It has some very sharp lines and some very positional lines - enough to suit all tastes
4) From's n ...[text shortened]... produces, I dislike 1. d4 and very strangely have never felt truly comfortable with 1. e4.
Wulebgr,
Nc3 is a mistake.
The main line for From's continues 4. Nf3 g5 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 and so on.
With regards to the extra tempo...I wouldn't underestimate it. Several top level playes (i.e. >2400) play and have played the Dutch defence.
The other aspect is that yes, 1. e4 is sharp and in some lines you do get strong winning chances but....I just don't feel comfortable with it. So i think i'll stick to my 1. f4.
1. I thought that 1. f4 was for some reason considered inferior. Maybe it's stronger than I thought. Obviously people think different, but what are the main reasons people would say that it is weak?
2. And except from the From gambit, is an e5 break appropriate a bit later in the game (perhaps prepended with d6), or shouldn't I focus on breaking it at all?
3. Should I play it as Reversed Dutch as black, or do I can gain something from countering it in another way?
Originally posted by tmetzlerIs F4 really a good move? It reminds me of a 4 letter word that also starts with an F. But besides that, it really exposes the kingside.
Anybody interested in playing 1.f4 should look to acquire "Bird-Larsen Attack" by Andrew Soltis.
It is extremely easy to read/learn from goes through all the common lines of the Bird.
--tmetzler
Originally posted by tmetzlerAlso try and dig up your old From Gambit Challenge thread which contained some interesting lessons on what not to do.
Anybody interested in playing 1.f4 should look to acquire "Bird-Larsen Attack" by Andrew Soltis.
It is extremely easy to read/learn from goes through all the common lines of the Bird.
--tmetzler
EDIT: And some good ones on how to play it properly.
Can't think of the last time anyone played the Bird's against me OTB, though I've had a couple here at RHP (including the same 6-move win mentioned in an earlier thread!). I think strong players aren't attracted to it because they feel it doesn't really cause any problems for black in the opening. I personally think the From Gambit is fine for black; I prefer playing for quick development rather than an early g5. Of course black also has to be prepared to play the black side of the King's Gambit...
Golub,
The one thing you SHOULDN'T do is play it as a reversed dutch. The reason for that is those situations are when the extra tempo really counts and you find that your pieces are just one square away from where they really need to be at the critical time.
Obviously if your playing a complete patzer then yeah you might get away with it but i always assume the best defence/attack and work from there.
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Originally posted by XanthosNZAs requested:
Also try and dig up your old From Gambit Challenge thread which contained some interesting lessons on what not to do.
EDIT: And some good ones on how to play it properly.
Thread 19215-- My first Bird open challenge thread.
Thread 22682 -- My From Gambit thread.
Enjoy.
Edits, had to remember the correct tag for thread linking.
Originally posted by tmetzlerThread 19215
As requested:
[ttid]19215[/ttid] -- My first Bird open challenge thread.
[ttid]22682[/ttid] -- My From Gambit thread.
Enjoy.
Thread 22682
I wish I had seen this before I entered the From Tournament (although it's not too late, I am still in). And before I started the league game against you...
Originally posted by arrakis
I used to play the From Gambit and CRUSH my opponents!!! 🙂
But after I played my lines against EXPERTS (who knew how to defend) I realized that the From gambit is unsound! 🙁
So now if someone plays 1.f4 against me, I have a line in the Sicilain wher Black ALWAYS comes out better!!!! Heh. I'll personaly recommend after 1.f4 c5! 2.Nf3 e6! and Black is going to play ...d5 taking the center from White. THe really nice thing about this line is that White ends up with this stupid pawn on f4, which not only costs a tempo, it becomes a liability... not to mention that it blocks White's Q-bishop! 😉
Game 1293251
Did he find out he was wrong or just forget about his unbeatable opening?
Originally posted by tmetzlerOf course, Nc3 leads to disaster. That was my point. 😉
And sometimes they go well for white Game 939468
or ok for white Game 1127945 I knew we had played some games; but I had to go look them up to remember how I did. Consider this an opening for a rematch. 🙂
4. Nc3 is nothing but a blunder of the highest order in the froms gambit.
(I just knew you would dig up these old games.)
I enjoy playing 1.f4 from time to time, and know of several players who have done quite well playing it exclusively. Against From's Gambit, I transpose into the King's Gambit: 1.f4 e5 2.e4, an act of cowardice to a true Bird's player. 😳
In the mid-1990s, the top player in my city was a high school kid who always played 1.f4. He earned a chess scholarship for college, but then switched to 1.c4 as his competition became tougher. As far as I know, he's no longer an active chess player. I wish he had stayed with Bird's Opening, because I believe he had more fun with it than the English could offer.