Originally posted by rubberjaw30well white isnt a 1400 rated pawnpusher either, so i guess he also knows what he is doing.
nah, i give black advantage here...
white may look beastly with the queen...
but I think black is winning assuming that he knows what he's doing, and by his rating...
I assume that he does indeed know what he's doing...
probably would have ended a draw.
Originally posted by Dragon FireWait a minute.
So easy to convey the incorrect impressions if you respond too quickly (isn't it).
I really meant what you have said, that black does not have a forced win and that it is black that needs to take most care not to lose.
I (think I) would prefer the white side as it seems easier for black to make an incorrect move than white. Queens can be so devasta ...[text shortened]... f material imbalance I try to avoid as it is always extremely difficult to play for both sides.
You have written: "I can't see a forced win for black so surely white wins this unless black has a perpetual (which I also cannot see)."
And I have been written that "I dont see any forcing line which could prove advantage of white"
Black is obviously better.
1) His king is safe where white's king isn't
2) His pieces are centralized where white's pieces are on the edge; especially the knight on d4 is killing, since it can't be removed by any means
3) white is going to have to drop the f6 pawn, because he first has to spend a move to take away the threat of Bf3+ followed by a queen-fork on either b3 or c2.
If there's anybody who needs to be careful, it's white.
Originally posted by schakuhrI would not say that black king is safe.
Black is obviously better.
1) His king is safe where white's king isn't
2) His pieces are centralized where white's pieces are on the edge; especially the knight on d4 is killing, since it can't be removed by any means
3) white is going to have to drop the f6 pawn, because he first has to spend a move to take away the threat of Bf3+ followed by a queen-fork on either b3 or c2.
If there's anybody who needs to be careful, it's white.
I placed the position into Chessmaster10, giving each side
20 minutes with 15 seconds per move. The results are below.
Some notes: I'm surprised the computer chose to opt for trading
the knight, seeing as it looked like it had such a strong position on
d4 and white's pawns were disorganized. Plus, I know Chessmaster
has an endgame tablebase, so I'm surprised again it would choose
to enter an endgame that proves victorious for white (unless of
course such an endgame has not been analzed thoroughly). Also,
white took much longer to move in the beginning, suggesting that
at first white was in a much more precarious position. I hope this helps.
[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2007.4.12"]
[Round ""]
[White "Chessmaster"]
[Black "Chessmaster"]
[TimeControl "1200+15"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft"]
[Setup "1"]
[FEN "6k1/6p1/1p1r1P1p/2pb3P/3n4/3P2PB/8/Q2K4 w - - 0 1"]
1.f7+ Bxf7 2.Qa8+ Kh7 3.Qe4+ Kh8 4.Qa8+ Bg8 5.Bg2 Nf5
6.Kc1 Nxg37.Qf3 Nxh5 8.Qxh5 Rxd3 9.Qe8 Rd4 10.Be4 b5
11.Bg6 Rc4+ 12.Kd2 Rf4 13.Qxb5 c4 14.Qb8 Rf3 15.Ke2 Rf6
16.Be4 Re6 17.Kf3 Rf6+ 18.Ke3 Re6 19.Kd4 Rxe4+ 20.Kxe4 Kh7
21.Qe8 Kh8 22.Ke5 c3 23.Kd6 c2 24.Qc8 c1=Q 25.Qxc1 h5
26.Qc2 Bb3 27.Qxb3 Kh7 28.Qe6 Kh8 29.Ke7 Kh7 30.Kf7 Kh8
31.Kg6 h4 32.Qc8# 1-0
Should anyone find possible improvements for black (Korch?),
I'd be happy to analyze that variation as well. I have an Intel
Centrino duo laptop (1.83 GHz), so the horsepower is there.