But didnt she say sandbaggers too? Look up for that too 😀
I am really curious, can't wait for her answer.I wont be sleeping all night 🙂
....A little bit of Mr. Nic wisdom here again: (sorry that y'all have to hear this wisdom)
In the east there is a saying ''One crazy-man threw a stone into a well and one thausand wise-man could not get it out'' 😉
or something very close to this!
I hope I am making sense here😀
Mr. Nic *says enough on sandbagging*
Exactly, MrNicMan...
It appears that in my last post I was not clear enough for some people here.
When I mentioned getting screwed by someone who improves 300+ points in one game, I meant not the one game they were playing me... I meant their overall rating improved 300 points from all the other games they were playing.
Recently my clan leader assigned me a clan match with someone (I won't mention the name here, you can easily look it up) who was rated 1413. Since my rating at the time was 1405, I considered this a fair match. The day I resigned the first game in the match, his rating was 1745 (he's 1784 right now). That's an improvement of 332 points during the time it takes to play one game. The reason I resigned was because I was going to lose my queen next move. Normally, I play on when this happens, but being a queen down to someone who is over 300 rating points above you seals your fate.
This player's response to my in-game query was "Hey, i was on a vacation n lost almost 50 games n my points dropped down 2 1206... now am buildin it up... sorry 4 it. nyways gud game... cheers!"
I don't really care how this player lost his points. He used me and my clan in a clan match to raise his rating. He and his clan leader passed him off as a 1400 player. This is what sandbagging is. Sandbagging is also morally the same as cheating using a chess engine, since it involves using an unfair advantage. However, since there are no rules here against sandbagging, it happens all the time. Some clans do it habitually. Some even brag about it.
This particular player should have been removed from clan play until he had gotten his rating back to normal. That would have been the honorable thing to do. Obviously his clan leader knew he was a 1750 player, so he is as guilty, if not more so.
I fell for this crap because I am a newbie here. This was only my second clan match. I assumed that most players here, and especially clan leaders, would have honor and dignity. I'm sure this is still true, or I would not remain a subscriber here. But since I now know that this is a common and somewhat accepted practice, my eyes will now be open in future clan matches.
AND...
The original point I was making is that at least one person in this thread who was ragging on Nyxie for her alleged "cheating" is a known sandbagger, meaning they have done exactly what was done to me. It is laughable and disgusting for these people, who are morally the same as cheaters, to accuse someone else of cheating. It is the truest example of "the pot calling the kettle black", and therefore, everything else they say comes into question.
In case you're wondering what the hell I'm talking about, here is the thread:
http://www.redhotchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=30688
Originally posted by SuzianneThat's what makes a good clan leader... setting up challenges that are favourable to their clan, and on the flipside, spotting little sneaky things like a player rated below their true level.
Exactly, MrNicMan...
It appears that in my last post I was not clear enough for some people here.
When I mentioned getting screwed by someone who improves 300+ points in one game, I meant not the one game they were playing me... I meant their overall rating improved 300 points from all the other games they were playing.
Recently my clan leader assi ...[text shortened]... his is a common and somewhat accepted practice, my eyes will now be open in future clan matches.
If you're not happy with this happening, I'd recommend you change clans to one where the clan leader is more savvy in dealing with clan challenges. No point complaining about it here.
On a side note, I have a game going on from when I was a 1200 player. 21/21 can take years, so I don't see the point in the sour grapes. You got a good game off a good player, and you wouldn't have lost many rating points as he was rated so much above you.
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Originally posted by RagnorakSorry, I happen to also understand the word principle. I'd much rather be in a clan where the leader has a sense of honor than a clan where the leader is using every slimy trick he knows to get to the top.
That's what makes a good clan leader... setting up challenges that are favourable to their clan, and on the flipside, spotting little sneaky things like a player rated below their true level.
If you're not happy with this happening, I'd recommend you change clans to one where the clan leader is more savvy in dealing with clan challenges. No point com ...[text shortened]... d player, and you wouldn't have lost many rating points as he was rated so much above you.
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And for your info, I was 1392 just before I resigned, and this loss dropped me to 1355. Maybe small potatoes to you, but that's not my point, and I'm not surprised you missed my point. My point is the principle of the thing. This is morally the same as cheating, and yet nothing is done about this... in fact it seems to be encouraged. And for someone to proudly participate in such activity and then complain about someone else's behavior is being a hypocrite of the grandest scale.
Originally posted by SuzianneAccording to your rating graph, you were 1355 before and after you resigned. You lost those points in the game before, losing against a player who had a rating of 1271 at that time.
And for your info, I was 1392 just before I resigned, and this loss dropped me to 1355.
Originally posted by SuzianneHmmmm...
Sorry, I happen to also understand the word principle. I'd much rather be in a clan where the leader has a sense of honor than a clan where the leader is using every slimy trick he knows to get to the top.
And for your info, I was 1392 just before I resigned, and this loss dropped me to 1355. Maybe small potatoes to you, but that's not my point, and ...[text shortened]... ity and then complain about someone else's behavior is being a hypocrite of the grandest scale.
You should perhabs recommend your clan leader become more vigilant and show foresight. Looking at the Slow Pawn's graph, and his reputation, it's obvious he was an almost 1800 rated player until going inactive. Remember, it's a two way street, your leader has to accept the match in question, if your leader does accept the match, then he/she must be held accountable for making what seems an irresponsible dicision. Or maybe your leader had faith in you and thought you could challenge the Slow Pawn anyways, and out of the kindness of his heart, gave you a chance to prove yourself to the clan and instead you just whine and cry. Sad.
And I detect some hypocricy here. If Nyxie doesn't cheat, then she has to be guilty of "sandbegging" (which according to you is cheating, but I don't consider it cheating, just cheap), going from 1300 for 300 plus games, then diciding to put the jet skies on to go from 1300-2000 in the past 2 months, is the queen of sandbegging if I ever saw it, and unlike the clan situation were the leader can decline/accept the sandbegging, in the case of Nyxie, people really didn't have a choice but to fall into it, especially when she plays in tournies.
She fits the classic definition in the dictionary to a tee, plays like crap, throws away games for years, then dicides to do her best to "improve" quickly to BRAG. Is that is not sandbegging, what is? So either she's an engine or a sandbegger, and according to you, both cheat. I don't think sandbeggers cheat, I just avoid them, refuse to play them. So if Nyxie is found to not be an engine, I know she's a sandbegger, so I will avoid playing her, and I suggest others, do the same, but I won't stop you if you choose to do so, it's still your choice.
That's my two cents on this issue. Anyways, perhabs I should thank you. It may not have been your intention, but your rather comical posts have revitalized the thread to a discussion somewhat more useful, then a cussing match.
Originally posted by NordlysHmmm, then I guess I'm not familiar with exactly how the graph works. The rating points, however, were never my point. My point is that sandbagging is wrong and the people who do it should be punished, or at the very least shunned, not held up as heroes, and certainly they should not be taking any high ground against alleged cheaters. Not to mention actually accusing people of cheating.
According to your rating graph, you were 1355 before and after you resigned. You lost those points in the game before, losing against a player who had a rating of 1271 at that time.
Originally posted by UmalakasSorry, I don't know what you are going on about... I have never played The Slow Pawn.
Hmmmm...
You should perhabs recommend your clan leader become more vigilant and show foresight. Looking at the Slow Pawn's graph, and his reputation, it's obvious he was an almost 1800 rated player until going inactive. Remember, it's a two way street, your leader has to accept the match in question, if your leader does accept the match, then he/she m ...[text shortened]... al posts have revitalized the thread to a discussion somewhat more useful, then a cussing match.
EDIT: What's interesting is that you defend his sandbagging against another player anyways.
The truly sad part is that you, and so many like you, regard sandbagging as a natural part of chess life here.
And I don't know of ANY clan leader who assigns their members to people 300 or more ratings points above them "out of the kindness of his heart".
And still you whine and cry about Nyxie, while giving lip service to The Slow Pawn's crime of sandbagging.
EDIT: and you STILL don't have your facts straight... she went from 1764 on 30 May 05 to 1968 on 13 Oct 05... that is 200 pts in 4.5 months... and yet the guy who sandbagged me went up more than 300 pts. during the course of our one game (9 days!)... c'mon, it ain't rocket science
Anyways, perhaps I should thank the person who had so little regard for my "lowly" 1400 rating status that he had to use me to get his points up, and the clan leader who feels he has to maintain his clan's #1 status at all costs. At least I won't be falling victim to this sleazy crap again anytime soon.
hey Suzianne,
There isn't really much you could have done about it, since your clan leader assigns the games.. once he/she clicks Start Challenge, the game is on.. you shouldn't feel you were tricked by any means.. like someone previous said, the clan leader should check the history of the players that are being pushed over. I know though not all clan leaders have the time to do that each and every challenge, so these things slip through.. It will continue to happen though, as the clan leaders try to get every advantage they can..
edit: this isn't picking a side if right or wrong . The only prevention is due dilligence by clan leaders to investigate past histories of players being pushed over for challenges..
Originally posted by SuzianneIf you had been calm while reading my post, wou would see that you have absolutely no influence over who you play in clan games. If your clan leader is giving you duff games, then switch clans.
At least I won't be falling victim to this sleazy crap again anytime soon.
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Originally posted by SuzianneWell, EXCUUUUSE ME, but you're angry reply to the Slow Pawn after jousting at Nyxie's rash and brash improvement suggested to me you were "sandbagged" by him and bitter about it. (Really he went inactive and just played again, and that upset lower rated clan members who played him) Now you say it's somebody else? How is this all relevant? Create your own thread like this for the clans board.
Sorry, I don't know what you are going on about... I have never played The Slow Pawn.
EDIT: What's interesting is that you defend his sandbagging against another player anyways.
The truly sad part is that you, and so many like you, regard sandbagging as a natural part of chess life here.
And I don't know of ANY clan leader who assigns their memb ...[text shortened]... tatus at all costs. At least I won't be falling victim to this sleazy crap again anytime soon.
Originally posted by RagnorakI've talked to my clan leader about this... yes, our clan actually communicates to each other... so trust me, it won't be happening again...
If you had been calm while reading my post, wou would see that you have absolutely no influence over who you play in clan games. If your clan leader is giving you duff games, then switch clans.
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