I did it again. Another win against a player rated 2000 or higher (I am rated 1394). This player was rated 2016. Difference: 622 points! The time control was 4 min and 2 secs and he/she run out of time when I had 2 minutes in my time bank! What did he/she do wrong? I played whites:
Originally posted by Pawn RebellionOne blunder was running out of time at the end. 31...Rh2+! 32.Kh2 Qf2+ 33.Kh1 Qxg3 and I can't find a satisfactory continuation for white.
I did it again. Another win against a player rated 2000 or higher (I am rated 1394). This player was rated 2016. Difference: 622 points! The time control was 4 min and 2 secs and he/she run out of time when I had 2 minutes in my time bank! What did he/she do wrong? I played whites:
[pgn][Event "RHP Blitz rated"] [Site "www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2 Kg8-h7 28. Qg4-f5 Kh7xh6 29. Bc4xf7 Re8-e2 30. Kh2-g1 Qc6-b6 31. Kg1-h1 1-0[/pgn]
Edit: White missed the obvious recapture 26.Rxg2, then missed a forced mate on the very next move. 27.Bf6+! would have ended things immediately.
Hi.
Good game. Your Blitz play is very good.
Dont't want to take anything away from your win but you asked
what Black did wrong.
First, it's a skittles blitz game played over the net.
Grades for other methods of chess are out the window and
mean nothing.
Second. You don't know who Black had been playing before you.
You can play 10-20 blitz games on the trot winning very easily without
even thinking when suddenly up pops a good player and you are
taken completely unaware.
Black appeared to be dozing waiting for you to blunder and only
woke up when the threat to g7 was overwhelming.
In the end Black could have snatched it back but lost complete
track of the game due to your poor wrap up.
Yes your bad play won you the game!
Here the basic 28.Qg8+ Kxh6 29.Qh8 mate was on.
(you played 28.Qf5+?)
A mating pattern found in every beginners book.
Black would have seen this coming and was not doubt ready to send
'good game' and leave the board.
But despite having two minutes left on your clock you MISSED IT.
Black no doubt would have wasted precious seconds wondering why
and then failed to adjust in the time remaining.
So again. Good game. Your Blitz play is good.
But learn to use all your time and when you have an opponent on
the ropes you should stop blitzing out the first check you see and
find the mate.
That would have given the game the finish your preceeding play deserved.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Yes, I missed mate, big news. Why you think I am rated 1394? The key question remains: how can a 2000+ player loose for a player rated more than 600 points lower? To say that grades in correspondence chess do not mean nothing in blitz is nonsense.
Hi.
Good game. Your Blitz play is very good.
Dont't want to take anything away from your win but you asked
what Black did wrong.
First, it's a skittles blitz game played over the net.
Grades for other methods of chess are out the window and
mean nothing.
Second. You don't know who Black had been playing before you.
You can play 10-20
find the mate.
That would have given the game the finish your preceeding play deserved.
And it happened again. I just won a player rated 2039 in blitz. Again he/she was timed out when I had 2 minutes in my time bank (the time control was 4 minutes). I played whites again:
Does everybody else think this is just normal?
Originally posted by Pawn RebellionTo say that grades in correspondence chess do not mean nothing in blitz is nonsense.
Yes, I missed mate, big news. Why you think I am rated 1394? The key question remains: how can a 2000+ player loose for a player rated more than 600 points lower? To say that grades in correspondence chess do not mean nothing in blitz is nonsense.
And it happened again. I just won a player rated 2039 in blitz. Again he/she was timed out when I had ...[text shortened]... -e7 Qd3-d5 30. Nf3-g5 1-0[/pgn]
Does everybody else think this is just normal?
Not true. In fact, the correspondence player's tendency to want to thoroughly analyze everything may work against them in blitz. I think it's no accident that both of your 'upsets' were by time forfeit.
Does everybody else think this is just normal?
I'd like to see your opponents play on servers with true blitz ratings. I'd wager their blitz rating would be far lower than their corr.
Originally posted by Pawn RebellionThe key question is easily answered: The ratings are for a dramatically different time control than what was used in the blitz game. It's a little like comparing sprint times with marathon times.
Yes, I missed mate, big news. Why you think I am rated 1394? The key question remains: how can a 2000+ player loose for a player rated more than 600 points lower? To say that grades in correspondence chess do not mean nothing in blitz is nonsense.
And it happened again. I just won a player rated 2039 in blitz. Again he/she was timed out when I had -e7 Qd3-d5 30. Nf3-g5 1-0[/pgn]
Does everybody else think this is just normal?
If anything, I think that your examples (two games out of a control group of how many total?) practically proves that correspondence ratings mean little in blitz. It is not by accident that every chess organization of any type involved in chess ratings keeps different ratings for different types of chess.
Are you really suggesting that all these chess federations and other organizations all over the world who keep separate rating systems for regular, action/speed/blitz, and correspondence chess are nonsensical for doing so?
If so, I believe you are in a very small minority of chessplayers worldwide who think that way. If not, then we may well be misreading your posts, and if that is the case, you have my apologies.
Paul
Originally posted by SwissGambit"I think it's no accident that both of your 'upsets' were by time forfeit."
[b]To say that grades in correspondence chess do not mean nothing in blitz is nonsense.
Not true. In fact, the correspondence player's tendency to want to thoroughly analyze everything may work against them in blitz. I think it's no accident that both of your 'upsets' were by time forfeit.
Does everybody else think this is just normal ...[text shortened]... with true blitz ratings. I'd wager their blitz rating would be far lower than their corr.
I have won several 2000+ player without time out (I always play whites):
Player rated 2029:
Player rated 2061:
Player rated 2003:
Thus, I do not just win with time outs.
You second point:
"I'd like to see your opponents play on servers with true blitz ratings. I'd wager their blitz rating would be far lower than their corr"
This is just an speculation.
Hi PR.
If you think missing mates is not very important then there will
be little else I can say that will be of interest to you.
However. Even you must admit there is a vast difference between
C.C. play and Blitz.
(you have 3 days to make a move - in blitz 3 seconds)
Some good chess C.C. and OTB players cannot play blitz to the
same standard.
Good players have pre move rituals and consider other things
before making a move in a serious game.
So looking at a 'normal' grade and expecting that to transpose
to a blitz game is not correct.
You seem to think it odd you winning a few games from 2000+ players.
They may have underestimated you, very possible, or they
have played a bad game - that happens.
They be lousy at blitz and just like messing about - who knows?
Don't read nothing into it, just enjoy the games.
As I said you are a good blitz player.
Based on the two games I have seen.
You do not blunder you attack and play quickly.
If they graded such chess on here then you would be knocking on
the door of 1900.
(Possibly higher if you stopped once in a while to find the mates)😉
Edit 1: Just seen the three games you posted.
You are a much better player blitz player than your 1400 grades
suggests. You are proof that C.C. grades and blitz play should
not be compared.
Originally posted by Pawn RebellionThat explains it.
(I always play whites)
[Your opponents also seem to suck at blitz - they're missing some obvious stuff right out of the opening...sheesh, in the last game, you threaten a piece and the guy doesn't even move it away!]
As for the 2nd point, it's not just speculation on my part. If you think that kind of crappy level of chess that you faced in the quoted games is capable of maintaining a 2000+ blitz rating, then you haven't played on any real blitz servers, like ICC, playchess, or FICS.
Do me a favor. Register on one of those sites, play a few of THEIR 2000s, and let us all know how you do.
So what, 2000s lose as well every now and then, especially on crappy blitz interfaces, you have no idea under what kind of circumstances your opponent is playing. I.e. on the RHP Blitz I am always thoroughly surprised when I actually face "opposition" as explained above by Mr. Greenpawn. There are some active 1300s that actually give me quite a tough time every time I face them.
And, if I may add, I wonder what your overall statistics vs. 2000+'ers is on the RHP Blitz as you are about 0-5 against me. (if I lost one I don't want to remember it)
Opening four separate topics on the same subject "hurray I won against a 2000+ RHP'er" over the course of eight months makes me think you have won about ten games against 2000+ players. I wonder how many games have you lost during this period. 😉