checkmate

Originally posted by trevor33
is it possible to get checkmate with just a knight and a rook

Well you need a king as well, but yes, it is possible.

Originally posted by Freddie2004
Well you need a king as well, but yes, it is possible.

but without the king you can't?

Originally posted by trevor33
but without the king you can't?

Well you will always have the king on the board whatever so really that question is futile.

Originally posted by Freddie2004
Well you will always have the king on the board whatever so really that question is futile.

Yes, but you can also checkmate with just the king and rook, so you don't even need the knight. 🙂

Originally posted by Freddie2004
Well you will always have the king on the board whatever so really that question is futile.

yeah, but it takes ages when there on the other side of the board

Originally posted by trevor33
yeah, but it takes ages when there on the other side of the board

Not really, just need to move the rook close to the other side to keep the king to that edge. Use the rook and the king to push the opponent's king back.

A recent example:

Game 1594528

EDIT: Thinking about it, don't think there is any way of checkmating with just the Rook and Knight alone.

Originally posted by lausey
Not really, just need to move the rook close to the other side to keep the king to that edge. Use the rook and the king to push the opponent's king back.

A recent example:

Game 1594528

i mean when the kings are on different sides

Originally posted by Wulebgr
[fen]7k/7R/5N2/8/8/8/8/K7[/fen]

Cool! Cheers.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
[fen]7k/7R/5N2/8/8/8/8/K7[/fen]

it would be nearly impossible to get the king in that position

Originally posted by trevor33
it would be nearly impossible to get the king in that position

(4418) davidc1 (1361) - Wulebgr (1416) [B59]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 24.08.2001
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.0–0 Be7 9.Kh1 0–0 10.f4 a6 11.f5 Bxb3 12.axb3 Nd4 13.Bd3 d5 14.Bg5 dxe4 15.Bxf6 exd3 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.f6 Qd6 18.cxd3 Ne6 19.Ne4 Qd4 20.Ra4 Qxb2 21.fxg7 Nxg7 22.Nf6+ Kh8 23.Rh4 Nf5 [ 23...Qxg2+ 24.Kxg2 Nh5 25.Qxh5 Rg8+ 26.Kh1 Rg1+ 27.Rxg1 Rc8 28.Qxh7#] 24.Rxh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(8859) Wulebgr (1721) - Gaspode (1613) [A09]
ICC 15 0 Internet Chess Club, 08.08.2003
1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.g3 Bg4 4.Bg2 Nc6 5.Na3 e6 6.Nxc4 Bc5 7.e3 Nf6 8.0–0 0–0 9.a3 Rb8 10.d4 Be7 11.b4 b5 12.Ncd2 Nd5 13.Bb2 a5 14.Rc1 Qd7 15.Qc2 Na7 16.Ne5 Qd6 17.Nxg4 axb4 18.axb4 Nxb4 19.Qxc7 Qxc7 20.Rxc7 Nac6 21.Bxc6 Nxc6 22.Ne5 Nxe5 23.dxe5 Bb4 24.Ne4 Ba5 25.Ra7 Bb6 26.Rd7 f5 27.exf6 gxf6 28.Nxf6+ Kh8 29.Rxh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(10406) Hellraiser6 (1517) - Wulebgr (1488) [A61]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 22.09.2003
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 exd5 5.cxd5 d6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Nd2 Bg7 8.Nc4 0–0 9.Bf4 a6 10.a4 Ne8 11.Qd2 Bf5 12.e3 Qc7 13.Be2 Nd7 14.0–0 Ne5 15.Bxe5 Bxe5 16.Nxe5 dxe5 17.e4 Bd7 18.f4 exf4 19.Qxf4 Qxf4 20.Rxf4 Nd6 21.e5 Nf5 22.Bg4 Rae8 23.Re1 f6 24.e6 Bc8 25.Bxf5 gxf5 26.Rxf5 Re7 27.Ne4 Rg7 28.Ref1 b5 29.axb5 axb5 30.Nxf6+ Kh8 31.Nh5 Rxf5 32.Rxf5 Rg8 33.Rf7 Bb7 34.Nf6 Rg6 35.Rxh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(11889) Wulebgr (1351) - garetjax (1318) [B07]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 14.08.2003
1.e4 d6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 dxe5 4.Nxe5 g6 5.d4 Bg7 6.Bc4 0–0 7.Nc3 b6 8.0–0 Bb7 9.Be3 Nd5 10.h4 e6 11.h5 Nxe3 12.fxe3 Qg5 13.e4 Bxe5 14.dxe5 Qxe5 15.Qf3 Nc6 16.Rae1 Nd4 17.Qf6 Qxf6 18.Rxf6 Nxc2 19.Ref1 Ne3 20.R1f3 Nxc4 21.Rh3 Nd6 22.e5 Nf5 23.Nb5 c5 24.g4 Nd4 25.Nd6 Ba6 26.Ne4 Rad8 27.Rf2 Be2 28.Nf6+ Kh8 29.hxg6 fxg6 30.Rxh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(11954) Wulebgr (1465) - jankiekidd (1480) [B40]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 05.11.2003
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bc4 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Bb5+ Bd7 6.Nc3 d4 7.Bxd7+ Qxd7 8.Ne4 Be7 9.d3 b6 10.0–0 Nf6 11.Re1 0–0 12.Bg5 Qc6 13.Ne5 Qe6 14.Nxf6+ Bxf6 15.Bxf6 Qxf6 16.Qf3 Qxf3 17.Nxf3 Nc6 18.Re4 f5 19.Re6 Nb4 20.Re7 Rae8 21.Rae1 Rxe7 22.Rxe7 Rf7 23.Re8+ Rf8 24.Re7 a6 25.Ng5 Nxc2 26.Ne6 Ra8 27.Rxg7+ Kh8 28.Rb7 b5 29.Ng5 h6 30.Nh7 c4 31.Nf6 cxd3 32.Rh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(14543) drcrypton (1496) - Wulebgr (1461) [B09]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 10.03.2003
1.e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.f4 Nf6 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.e5 0–0 7.exf6 Bxf6 8.Be2 e5 9.fxe5 dxe5 10.dxe5 Bxf3 11.Qxd8 Bxd8 12.Bxf3 c6 13.Bf4 Bb6 14.0–0–0 Na6 15.Ne4 Nb4 16.Bh6 Rfd8 17.Nf6+ Kh8 18.a3 Na6 19.h4 Nc5 20.h5 Ne6 21.hxg6 fxg6 22.Bd2 Rxd2 23.Rxh7# Black checkmated 1–0

(19326) Wulebgr (1754) - cim2 [A40]
GCS 5 0 GCS, 22.02.2005
1.d4 b6 2.c4 Bb7 3.Nc3 g6 4.e4 Bg7 5.Be3 e6 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.f3 Nb4 8.Nge2 Nxd3+ 9.Qxd3 c6 10.0–0 Ne7 11.a4 0–0 12.Qd2 Ba6 13.b3 b5 14.axb5 Bb7 15.bxc6 Bxc6 16.d5 Bb7 17.Bh6 Qb6+ 18.Kh1 Qxb3 19.Bxg7 Kxg7 20.Rfb1 Qxc4 21.Rxb7 exd5 22.Qd4+ Qxd4 23.Nxd4 dxe4 24.Nxe4 Nd5 25.Rxd7 Ne3 26.Ne6+ Kg8 27.Nf6+ Kh8 28.Nxf8 Rc8 29.Nxg6+ hxg6 30.Rxf7 Rf8 31.Rh7# 1–0

(19977) Wulebgr (1585) - Gavza (1435) [D11]
rated blitz match freechess.org, 23.05.2005
[Spike 0.9 (10s)]
D11: Slav Defence: 3 Nf3 sidelines and 3...Nf6 4 e3 Bg4 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 e6 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Nc3 Be7 7.e3 Nc6 8.Bb5 [ 8.Be2 0–0 9.0–0 ½–½ Stajcic,N-Krizsany,L/Kecskemet 1991/EXT 97] 8...0–0 9.0–0 Bd7 10.Ba4N [ 10.Rc1 Rc8 ( 10...Nb8 11.Bd3 h6 12.Bh4 Nc6 13.Bg3 Nh5 14.Be5 f6 15.Bg3 Nxg3 16.hxg3 f5 17.Bb5 Rc8 18.Bxc6 Bxc6 19.Ne5 Be8 20.Qb3 Rc7 21.Rc2 a6 22.Rfc1 Bd6 23.Nd3 Rff7 24.Nf4 Qd7 25.a3 Jovanovic,N-Muratovic,E/Neum BIH 2003/The Week in Chess 462/½–½ (39)) 11.a3 Nb8 ( 11...a6 12.Bxc6 Bxc6 13.Ne5 Nd7 14.Bxe7 Qxe7 15.Nxc6 Rxc6 16.Na4 Rfc8 17.Rxc6 Rxc6 18.Qd2 ½–½ Schmidt,M-Pfanner,T/GER 1997/EXT 2002) 12.Bd3 Ne8 13.Bxe7 Qxe7 14.Ne5 Nd6 15.f4 f5 16.g4 Ne4 17.gxf5 Nxc3 18.bxc3 exf5 19.Qb3 Be6 20.Rc2 Nc6 21.Rcf2 Na5 22.Qb2 Rc7 23.Rc2 a6 24.Rb1 b5 Pamperin,G-Voigt,M/Berlin 2002/EXT 2003/0–1 (52); 10.Bxc6 Bxc6 11.Ne5 Rc8 12.Rc1 Nd7 13.Bxe7 Qxe7 14.Nxc6 Rxc6 15.Qd2 Rfc8 16.Ne2 Rxc1 17.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 18.Nxc1 Nb6 19.b3 h6 20.Nd3 ½–½ Broeder,I-Jahn,C/Glauchau 1987/EXT 2003] 10...h6 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.Bc2 Re8 13.Qd3 g6 14.Ne5? [ 14.Qe2!?= should be examined more closely] 14...Bxe5 [ 14...Nxe5!? 15.dxe5 Bxe5 16.f4–+] 15.dxe5µ Nxe5 16.Qd2 a6 [ 16...Qb6 17.Bb3µ] 17.Ne2 [ 17.e4!?³ has some apparent merit] 17...Bb5 18.Rfe1 Nc4 19.Qd4 Qg5 [ 19...Rc8 20.Rac1–+] 20.Ng3 [ 20.f4 Qe7 21.Nc3 Bc6µ] 20...Nd6 21.h4 Qe7 22.h5 g5 [ 22...Rac8 23.Bb3µ] 23.e4 [ ¹23.a4 Rac8 24.Rac1µ] 23...Bc6 [ ¹23...Rac8!? 24.Bb3 dxe4 25.Nxe4 Nxe4 26.Qxe4 Qf6µ] 24.e5= Nb5 25.Qd3 f5 26.exf6 Qxf6 27.Qg6+ Qxg6 28.Bxg6 Praise the bishop! 28...Re7 [ 28...Nd4!? 29.Bxe8 Rxe8=] 29.Nf5± Rc7? [ 29...exf5 Exploits the pin 30.Rxe7] 30.Nxh6+ [ ¹30.Rxe6!? Rf8 31.Nxh6+ Kg7 32.Nf5+ Kh8 33.Re5+-] 30...Kg7± 31.Ng4 Be8? [ ¹31...Bd7±] 32.Rxe6+- Bxg6 33.Rxg6+ Kh7 [ 33...Kh8 desperation 34.Rd1 Rc5+-] 34.Nf6+ Kh8 35.Re1 Rg7 [ 35...g4 there is nothing else anyway 36.Re5 Rf8+-] 36.Rh6+ Rh7 37.Rxh7# Gavza checkmated 1–0

Originally posted by Wulebgr
(4418) davidc1 (1361) - Wulebgr (1416) [B59]
ICC 5 0 Internet Chess Club, 24.08.2001
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be6 8.0–0 Be7 9.Kh1 0–0 10.f4 a6 11.f5 Bxb3 12.axb3 Nd4 13.Bd3 d5 14.Bg5 dxe4 15.Bxf6 exd3 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.f6 Qd6 18.cxd3 Ne6 19.Ne4 Qd4 20.Ra4 Qxb2 21.fxg7 Nxg7 22.Nf6+ Kh8 23.Rh4 Nf5 [ 23...Qxg2+ 24. ...[text shortened]... 7 [ 35...g4 there is nothing else anyway 36.Re5 Rf8+-] 36.Rh6+ Rh7 37.Rxh7# Gavza checkmated 1–0

im meant to read this, have you not got a game id for any of them

Originally posted by trevor33
im meant to read this, have you not got a game id for any of them

These are actual GM games. Not on RHP!

EDIT: Oops, no they aren't. They are played on ICC by Wulebgr (or other sites). Edited several times, had a hard day...sigh. 😳

Originally posted by trevor33
im meant to read this, have you not got a game id for any of them

Print it and play over the board (or paste into ChessBase Light). That way you'll see how badly I can play chess!

Last night I had the opportunity to get a RHP game in my history that demonstrates checkmate with two bishops. Alas, I was confident that my opponent coud pull it off, so I resigned. Here's the link: Game 1571499.

Blitz is different. If my opponent is under 20 seconds, I often won't resign.