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18 Dec 05
Originally posted by dottewellI have a highscore of 1464 without using databases and books at all, just the big sponse. But I bet there must be some 1600 / 1700's around not using (or having used) any aid at all.
Just wondered who is the highest rated player here who uses neither databases nor books?
18 Dec 05
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Originally posted by XanthosNZAh, come on. For example, it renders it completely pointless someone playing a "surprise" opening unless they have _really_ thought it through. Given the size of today's databases, the database v non-database user distinction is important.
Who cares?
18 Dec 05
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Originally posted by AikoThose come few and far between. And, I suspect there are more 1700+ players on here who DO USE databases, and that normally they are rated about where I am at 1500 when I don't use any books or databases and somehow maintain a 1500 rating. And, respectively, I only take an hour and a half each day to make all my moves in 20+ games on the average. That says: if I am playing against other players on here with databases, you could assume that the strength I really have attained is at least 100 or 200 points higher. So, I don't like database players. I think the best chess is playing with your own ability so you will know where to go from in study and practice. I like the idea of having my 1503 (at present) rating while not using any outside sources, just playing like I would in casual games. This says something. Someone who does not use a database and plays their moves with a minute or less thought in their games on here and has a rating after 100 games can wake up in the morning and know he truly is that rating. And, that same player will wake up one morning with an 1800 RHP rating, and have an OTB rating of 2000... and at that same time can feel a since of accomplishment. 🙂
I have a highscore of 1464 without using databases and books at all, just the big sponse. But I bet there must be some 1600 / 1700's around not using (or having used) any aid at all.
19 Dec 05
Originally posted by powershakereh, pipe dreaming again, are we? 🙂
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I don't use databases, and neither do those I know IRL, at least as far as I know. they're around 1400-1800+ rhp. I also don't think the average joe on rhp bothers on databases, most play just for the fun of it, to relax.
and I don't mind if my opponents do use db, why should I? it's all the same to me. their rating shows the strength I'm facing on board, not some fictional creation of 'woulda, shoulda, coulda'. if databases interest you, go for it.
19 Dec 05
Originally posted by powershakerThis site is for correspondance chess which allows the use of databases and books during games. You may as well ask 'who is the highest rated player who doesn't use en passant?', it's part of correspondance chess.
Those come few and far between. And, I suspect there are more 1700+ players on here who DO USE databases, and that normally they are rated about where I am at 1500 when I don't use any books or databases and somehow maintain a 1500 rating. And, respectively, I only take an hour and a half each day to make all my moves in 20+ games on the average. Tha ...[text shortened]... , and have an OTB rating of 2000... and at that same time can feel a since of accomplishment. 🙂
Quit whining or go play rapid chess loser.
19 Dec 05
Originally posted by XanthosNZIt isn't like using or not using en passant.
This site is for correspondance chess which allows the use of databases and books during games. You may as well ask 'who is the highest rated player who doesn't use en passant?', it's part of correspondance chess.
Quit whining or go play rapid chess loser.
I'm not saying it's wrong, obviously. But it isn't like en passant.
19 Dec 05
Originally posted by dottewellWhat's the difference? En passant is allowed by the rules of chess, but if you don't want to use it, you don't have to.
It isn't like using or not using en passant.
I'm not saying it's wrong, obviously. But it isn't like en passant.
Books and databases are allowed by the rules of correspondence chess, but if you don't want to use them, you don't have to.
You could self-impose a rule on yourself of not moving your bishops on even numbered moves if you feel like it, too. But don't cry that others are moving their bishops just because you've decided not to. If somebody wants to put restrictions on themselves, good for them.
19 Dec 05
Originally posted by dottewellOf course it like en passant. Correspondence chess always has been characterized by research as part of the skill employed. Asking correspondence players to desist reminds me of second graders asking me to treat en passant as an optional rule becuase they find it confusing.
It isn't like using or not using en passant.
I'm not saying it's wrong, obviously. But it isn't like en passant.
In both cases, it is an issue of maturity. Get used to the fact that en passant is part of all chess, that touch move is part of competitive chess, and that books and databases are part of correspondence chess. If you don't like the game as it is, go play video games or ping pong or something.
I've tried to start discussions about how people use databases, and how much they think it improves their play (200 points elo seems ludicrious, I think ~50 is more realistic), but the question of whether to use such aids grows tiresome.
19 Dec 05
Databases are good for improving and see how certain openings or positions are played.
I consider them just as another tool for learning purposes and don't see which is the problem since they are allowed and ,first or then,you will get out of the database opening and will have to play on your own anyway.
19 Dec 05
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Originally posted by RavelloOf course databases are like en passant or the movement of a particular piece in that they are part of the rules. That is trivial.
Databases are good for improving and see how certain openings or positions are played.
I consider them just as another tool for learning purposes and don't see which is the problem since they are allowed and ,first or then,you will get out of the database opening and will have to play on your own anyway.
The clear difference is that those are rules, common to correspondence chess and OTB, that one has to learn how to apply.
A database can help a random patzer play at master strength for the first 5, 10, 15 or even 20 moves of a game. All that is required is a modicum of computer skill and a large enough database.