Originally posted by plainesYour analogy is a way off there chief. You see, in Correspondence chess, databases are legal. In baseball, steroids are not. So you see, Bbarr is completely within his rights to use databases, while on the other hand, people "cheat" at baseball by using steroids. Sorry! WHOOOOO! 😠
I see that despite 6 years of intense study of the game bbarr still needs to resort to databases. That"s weird! Surely his number 2 ranking is therefore meaningless. It's like an Olympic athlete or Tim McGuire pumped up on steroids- put a big asterisk beside that achievement. My ranking is too low for bbarr to accept a challenge, but that's OK, I can play ...[text shortened]... there's no difference. How many of the RHP "top" players are similarly pumped up on steroids?
Originally posted by !~TONY~!i personally don't care about the "legal" justification.
Your analogy is a way off there chief. You see, in Correspondence chess, databases are legal. In baseball, steroids are not. So you see, Bbarr is completely within his rights to use databases, while on the other hand, people "cheat" at baseball by using steroids. Sorry! WHOOOOO! 😠
bbarr is legal - but i do not care.
bbarr is ethical - this i do care about.🙂
he can use these things and if i am a better player i will beat him anyway.
of course almost all of us stand no chance against him either way😳
Originally posted by plainesChess databases are useful for about 5-7 moves, beyond which the chances of finding the same position in any significant quantity diminishes rapidly to zero.
I see that despite 6 years of intense study of the game bbarr still needs to resort to databases. That"s weird! Surely his number 2 ranking is therefore meaningless. It's like an Olympic athlete or Tim McGuire pumped up on steroids- put a ...[text shortened]... ny of the RHP "top" players are similarly pumped up on steroids?
Even if you had a database of all the games ever played the usefulness would probably not extend much beyond the 8th move.
And the value of knowing that Boris Spassky moved 7. ... Qd2 in 1969 is highly dubious (especially if he went on to lose the game).
The difference between a database and chess-playing software is that the software does all the thinking for you, whereas the database merely expands and extends the thinking process; ultimately you still have to weigh up the possibilities and decide on a move.
It seems that the top players always get a bum rap. Starting back in the days of Xenophone to Schliemann to Sintubin to David Tebb and on. I respect them all for what they have done and their dedication - the pressure of being #1. I would happily play any of them any time.
Using books and other resources (short of computer programs) is part of playing online. These are not live games that count for anything - doubt any chess organization would give any weight to RHP ratings. While I have no time for any of this while playing (I have a 30 sec move rule), I have read a book or two in the past.
I have learned more from my many loses than wins. I can appreciate ones desire to be in the top 50, 100 or 1000. We all seek recognition and meaning in our lives.
So have fun - be happy - hope we meet in a tournament or clan game.
David
Originally posted by dcpkWithout being argumentative, I would add that precisely because bbarr is so good and has devoted so much time to the game why would he WANT to use databases? Whether they are "legal" or not is beside the point, as is whether they are part of the "tradition" of online chess. My point is of course philosophical: does the use of aids DURING a match not detract from the "purity" of any resulting win?
It seems that the top players always get a bum rap. Starting back in the days of Xenophone to Schliemann to Sintubin to David Tebb and on. I respect them all for what they have done and their dedication - the pressure of being #1. I would happily play any of them any time.
Using books and other resources (short of computer programs) is part of playing onl ...[text shortened]... ing in our lives.
So have fun - be happy - hope we meet in a tournament or clan game.
David
Peace and good wishes to all!
Originally posted by plainesI am sure that the best “correspondence” chess player also uses database. That is how you get to be best.
Without being argumentative, I would add that precisely because bbarr is so good and has devoted so much time to the game why would he WANT to use databases? Whether they are "legal" or not is beside the point, as is whether they are part of the "tradition" of online chess. My point is of course philosophical: does the use of aids DURING a match not detract from the "purity" of any resulting win?
Peace and good wishes to all!
I use it when I play a better player, or if the other player wants to go long into an open. I can usually stay book moves for about 4 moves, but correspondence chess is a great way to improve your Over the Board games. (OTB)
When I use it, I’ll tell you. I think you should consider perhaps also using it… you could get your rating going a bit upward, and improve your game.
If Bbarr won’t play you, I don’t blame him… there are thousands of users here, he can’t play all of them…. And I am sure he has friends at this site he’s not even played yet. He’s just one guy. But if he were to play you, I am sure he wouldn’t use book if you were to ask.
There should be no shame in using data during a correspondence chess game. I also used to think the way you are… but changed my mind after I realized it is ok to do so. My game has even gotten a little better, and I am learning new openings all the time.
P-
Every now and then we get someone complaining about databases. Doesn't anyone read the Terms of Service to which they agree?
None of bbarr's wins can be credited to books and databases. He may use them, but his #2 rank is NOT meaningless. This is a correspondence chess site. Books have always been an accepted part of correspondence chess. A database is nothing more than a book in electronic form. Often, it's less, since a book about openings may tell you which are the good moves and which the bad. A database just tells you who played what when.
bbarr does not need books and databases to play well. I have personally taken him out of any book in existence and still suffered quick loss. He is actually more than generous to notify you in his profile that he uses them, and to offer desisting upon request!
Personally, I make use of books and databases and claim that as my right, as these tools are specifically permitted by the Terms of Service here at RHP. Unlike bbarr, I will not desist in rated play and do not bother to notify my opponents.
RHP serves as a venue for several intentions. There are those who play in the true spirit of correspondence chess. There are those who play as the next best alternative to playing your friend or neighbor down the street. And there are those who play of varying degree somewhere in-between. There are those who follow their ratings like the Dow Jones Industrial Average and there are those whose ratings are incidental to the pleasure of playing the game. So, as long as this site meets your needs, whatever they might be, and you're having some fun in the process, that's all that really matters. Enough said. Back to the board.
Originally posted by obliterationTebb is rated 2240 FIDE, add 100 points to get the equivalent USCF. In a big enough simul, a strong player like this can absolutely give Kasparov a hard time, provided there are other strong players involved.
No chance, Kasparov would destroy him!