Decide if these 3 positions are drawn.

These are from Green-Pigeon (1647) vs Ramned (1704) ICC

1.


BLACK TO MOVE

2.


BLACK TO MOVE.

3. WHITE TO MOVE

Game result went 0-1; I believe he had drawing chances early, and also on diagram 3, where the Philodor Drawing technique may have been used...with difficulty due to his king being cut off a rank. It is definitly possible but I am hazy as to how white draws that 3rd diagram so I probably would have lost there...because white's king can't get to the short side of the pawn I don't believe passive defense works..

I can't belive the first position is a draw, but not the second, black look better as he force an exchange, good thing.

The third, I think white can draw this, but I can't see how, the king is cut from the pawn.

Edit : I think white can draw with something like Kd3 Rh8 then Rh1 to bring back the rook to the field.

The first two I thought black can win.The 3rd I thought it's a draw.Played it against Fritzie:

In the second position doesn't black just play Rh8+ swap rooks and then march the pawn and win based on the strength of white's king being cut off?

I believe #3 is a win for Black. It's quite easy to get to a standard Lucena position, and then Black wins like this:

Originally posted by Fat Lady
I believe #3 is a win for Black. It's quite easy to get to a standard Lucena position, and then Black wins like this:

[pgn]
[FEN "8/2r5/R7/8/8/8/1p1K4/1k6 w - - 0 1"]
[result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. Ra8 Rd7+ 2. Ke3 Rd5 3. Ra7 Kc2 4. Rc7+ Kb3
5. Rb7+ Kc3 6. Rc7+ Kb4 7. Rb7+ Rb5 *
[/pgn]

Originally posted by Romanticus
Mind showing this 'easy' way to reach that position?

Originally posted by Fat Lady
Here's an example I just played against an engine:
[pgn]
[FEN "3R4/8/1p6/1k6/2r5/4K3/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
1. Rd1 Ka6 2. Ra1+ Kb7 3. Rh1 b5 4. Rh7+ Ka6 5. Rh6+ Ka5 6. Kd3 Rc7 7. Rh5
Ka4 8. Rh4+ b4 9. Rh8 Kb3 10. Rb8 Ka3 11. Ra8+ Kb2 12. Rh8 b3 13. Rh2+ Ka3
14. Rh8 b2 15. Ra8+ Kb3 16. Rb8+ Ka2 17. Ra8+ Kb1 18. Ra6
*
[/pgn]

Could you be more specific about what you think White's drawing technique is? Black's winning technique is to keep his rook on the c-file and wobble his king and pawn up the board.

As white I would play 7. Rxb4 instead of 7.Rh1 and that's draw, isnt it?

Originally posted by Macpo
As white I would play 7. Rxb4 instead of 7.Rh1 and that's draw, isnt it?