23 Oct 04
Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowOk i will run the Karpov/Kasparov game mentioned earlier, i will post it in a few days then we can all see an engine playing like a "Gimp" lol, or maybe not :-)
Its amazing how much you seem to not know about chess. The engine wont pick long term moves because it cant caulate 10-20 moves deep for all the variations, where as a human can just look at it and go, queenside attack then move the pieces according to the plan. This is why engine users on this site games stand out a bit and engines in general play like gimps.
Anyone want to start taking bets on what it finds, and whether it plays like a "Gimp"
"Its amazing how much you seem to not know about chess." - yes it amazes me all the time how little i know of chess, for that is chess, an ever changing eternal struggle, a constant battle, just when you think you know everything it jumps up, slaps you round the head and shows you to be the fool you really are, then you realize infact you know nothing, that is chess, is that not why we play ?, all we can do is walk the path and let it guide us in its ever changing ways.
Yes i know nothing of chess, and never will, give me eternity and i will still be non the wiser.
Ok Grayeyesofsorrow its time to put your mony where your mouth is so to speak, you wanna play an engine, unrated of course, we wouldnt want to break the ToS would we.
If they play like "Gimps", have no idea of piece placement, have little or no idea of positional play, cant make plans like you or me, if there so short sighted it should be 2 easy wins, dont you think ?, either way it should be fun posting the games when there done :-)
FGWE
23 Oct 04
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Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvyI think iv said all along that its very hard to beat an engine, although if I wanted a good example of engine play Id only have to pick any of your games. Showing a total lack of over all planning yet with GM level of tatical play, indeed not missing a single tactical shot. And yes the engines play like gimps, but they play very strong tactically, so gains against them have to be made over 20 odd moves with perfect chess play. Id have thought any chess player would have known this.........
Ok i will run the Karpov/Kasparov game mentioned earlier, i will post it in a few days then we can all see an engine playing like a "Gimp" lol, or maybe not :-)
Anyone want to start taking bets on what it finds, and whethe ...[text shortened]... way it should be fun posting the games when there done :-)
FGWE
"yes it amazes me all the time how little i know of chess, for that is chess, an ever changing eternal struggle, a constant battle, just when you think you know everything it jumps up, slaps you round the head and shows you to be the fool you really are, then you realize infact you know nothing, that is chess, is that not why we play ?"
Yawns.....go post the budda stuff somewhere else, if you are looking for recs go to the debates forum.
Theres a thread of chessbase where the programers of fritz talk about trying to make it more human, maybe you should read it and see that even they think it plays like a gimp.
As for posting games with engines, id pick one of your if you really want ?
23 Oct 04
Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowSo thats a no then, lol, all mouth no action, allways the same with you guys.
I think iv said all along that its very hard to beat an engine, although if I wanted a good example of engine play Id only have to pick any of your games. Showing a total lack of over all planning yet with GM level of tatical play, indeed not missing a single tactical shot. And yes the engines play like gimps, but they play very strong tactically, s ...[text shortened]... ays like a gimp.
As for posting games with engines, id pick one of your if you really want ?
FGWE
23 Oct 04
Originally posted by AThousandYoungCertainly not, iv maintained in all threads that it is very hard to beat any engine, you would need a well played sac or a quiet positional opening to stand any chance against one. I do know some tricks that can be used for beating them, mainly getting the engine to comit queenside and then launching a kingside attack, its easy to say it but really quite hard to do. Theres a website on the net that has a database of these games, its a bit of a shame that the engine in all of them is always set under 1900.
So you're confident you can beat any chess program consistently with it set at it's highest level, grayeyes?
23 Oct 04
It is extremely difficult to tell the difference between GMs and engines, unless you are a GM! The fact of the matter is that Computers actually are programmed with great strategic prowess as well as tactical strength. Certainly a strong engine has much more strategic ability even than a master! Of course engines would be hard pressed to defeat Kasparov in terms of strategy but I'm sure Fritz 8 could place pieces better than anyone here at RHP so it'd be tough to recognize so called 'gimp' moves...
23 Oct 04
Originally posted by GambitzoidGo learn how computers play chess. Its not really up for debate that computers play chess in a muppet way, its accepted across the whole chess community apart from here it would seem. Its really easy to tell an engine anyway. You might have missed the large debate about cheaters on the site, if its still on this thread look it up and you can even see me point out clear fritz games.
are you kidding me?! You want to look at a computer playing against Kasparov and say look, the computer's stupid!? You are an idiot. You think anyone on RHP would stand a chance against either X3D Fritz or Kasparov? Do you want to try and place pieces well when the greatest player ever is playing near perfect chess? The fact of the matter is that there w ...[text shortened]... safety or pawn structure. Don't be arrogant, it is difficult to tell an engine from a master...
Just because you cant tell the difference (You probably havent ever thought about it or tried) dont knock those who have studied it and can spot the difference.
24 Oct 04
Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowIs that a no, or a maybe no, or a cant really make my mind up whether to risk it or not, lol,
Everyone who is playing you is getting fritz moves played against them anyway, why add one more ? 🙂
come on gray dont sit on the fence, 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
FGWE
24 Oct 04
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhy is it so hard to read posts........I said it plays like a 2000+ gimp. Foreveryabyabyab just said gimp. I cant even be bothered to cut and paste his games next to fritz, if you want to find out you do it. And if you want to play chess for real, well im in competitions up and down the country, so just tell me your club and I'll give you a game there and we'll see who cant beat a gimp ? 🙂
Grayeyes, it sounds kind of pathetic when you accuse a computer of playing like a gimp and then claim it will probably beat you. So you aren't even good enough to be a gimp?
Your accusations of cheating without proof are really lame too.