19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by MIODudeAh, ok that's fine. That's the answer I was looking for from the beggining! If someone posted something like that sooner there would be no need for this idiotic discussion.
read this thread
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=42958&page=2
Gatecrashers post.. he is one of the game mods.
Now you know...
and yes, the TOS should be updated.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by LanndonKaneCan you spell Tablebase?
Oxford english dictionary:
da·ta·base ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dt-bs, dt-) Computer Science
n. also data base
A collection of data arranged for ease and speed of search and retrieval. Also called data bank.
Fits egtb's exactly
Now can you spell Database?
19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by VarenkaIt says ENDgame database. That's not the point. He was being picky with the wording so I was showing him how dumb that was.
No worries... but I guess I can just use the following site:
http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html
It does say *database* doesn't it? So must be ok?! ;-)
The point is that one is a collection of previously played games and the other is not.
19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by LanndonKaneYou cannot get to one, and two (lone kings) is a draw. Most C players can handle every conceivable three piece, and most four piece with minimal difficulty.
Furthermore, egtb's are good only for 3-4-5-6 pieces. After you get to one or two, you are on your own.
Tablebases are a complex problem, as they represent a peculiar form of database. Databases and annotated games (even those annotated by Kasparov) are full of computer analysis, but they remain distinct from computer generated moves during a game in progress. Post-mortem computer analysis is a legitimate way to build databases. However the comprehensive nature of tablebases (some even for seven piece endgames) raises troubling questions.
On some sites, the administrators seem okay with tablebases when they can be accessed without use of an engine (such as available at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm). However, here at RHP the admiins and policy advisors have determined that they constitute engine use. If you successfully put forth an argument that causes them to reconsider, they might do so, but in the meantime you may not use them here.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by RahimKHave you never seen a games database with annotated games? Especially where some of the annotations are generated using Fritz, etc?
You were being picky about the wording so I was showing you how dumb that is.
The point is one consists of previously played games and is okay to use.
The other is generated and is not okay to use on this site.
Ok, so now that we're clear that these exist and are ok to use on this site, can you highlight the point in the current TOS that states that endgame databases are not allowed?
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by VarenkaAnnotated or not, those games have been previously played.
Have you never seen a games database with annotated games? Especially where some of the annotations are generated using Fritz, etc?
Ok, so now that we're clear that these exist and are ok to use on this site, can you highlight the point in the current TOS that states that endgame databases are not allowed?
There is nothing wrong with taking a game you played already or someone else, getting it annotated by others/computers and then using it for future purposes several weeks later.
The TOS have to be updated and that has been discussed arleady. They are simply not allowed and anyone using one should be kicked out 🙂
19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by RahimKOk, we are going by the redhotpawn dictionay definiton of a database, which is something that contains games that are preplayed, and NOT the english lagnuage definition of a database, which is something that contains information that is easily accessible.
You were being picky about the wording so I was showing you how dumb that is.
The point is one consists of previously played games and is okay to use.
The other is generated and is not okay to use on this site.
Just say yes or no and I will not respond to this thread any longer.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by LanndonKaneThe answer is no!
Ok, we are going by the redhotpawn dictionay definiton of a database, which is something that contains games that are preplayed, and NOT the english lagnuage definition of a database, which is something that contains information that is easily accessible.
Just say yes or no and I will not respond to this thread any longer.
We all know the difference between a tablebase and a database by now or at least should.
A tablebase contains a complete solution to all possible eventualities. A tablebase is a database but a database is not a tablebase! A tablebase constitutes a form of database that is not allowed
19 Aug 06
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Originally posted by LanndonKaneYes that is fine by me.I hope no one uses endgames tablebases here or out the door they go.
Ok, we are going by the redhotpawn dictionay definiton of a database, which is something that contains games that are preplayed, and NOT the english lagnuage definition of a database, which is something that contains information that is easily accessible.
Just say yes or no and I will not respond to this thread any longer.