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Engine cheats - How should we approach them?

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Marinkatomb
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Originally posted by jcmessy
Find a game of your own. And expose it like the guy
who prove it to me, on this link. Game 9159004
Notice his strength.. This kind of play and rating strength
don't match. Now That's an Engine User.. Game 9159004
You have to show proof of experience before accusing someone.
That's not good and very unethical when you don't have a proof like the one
I have here...
JC, RJH is considered an engine user by this entire forum. It is so crushingly obvious. Nice enough chap, but an engine cheat..

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But who gains chess lessons @ the end?
look @ the link that i exposed here? Game 9159004
If that's what that ego / clueless wants just for the sake of scoring
& feeding there ego.. Big Deal.
It won't degrade my "Over-the-board" Strength.
I only play here just to harness my Analytical Power.
That's it. I don't care of my rating here. I know full-well my "OTB Chess"
Why's the reason why I am not afraid if I play players of
my rating level or 2400 plus rating players here. And I mean it.

I will warn you All "Engine Users" regardless of your rating,
If I found you using engine,
like this link; >> Game 9159004 ...
I will expose your play and strength. I will truly show & educate
the public about you... So please don't let me catch you & embarrass you...
You hear me??

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Originally posted by jcmessy
But who gains chess lessons @ the end?
look @ the link that i exposed here? Game 9159004
If that's what that ego / clueless wants just for the sake of
feeding there ego. It's okay with me. But...

I will warn you All "Engine Users", If I found you using engine,
like this link; >> Game 9159004 ...
I will expose your play and strength. ...[text shortened]...
the public about you... So please don't let me catch you & embarrass you...
You hear me??
Yeh i hear ya man, you won't catch me doing any such thing. Personally engine users don't wind me up that much. I'd rather they were removed but i'm not going to give myself high blood pressure over it, it's their loss at the end of the day. All that time fiddling around with fritz could be replaced by the joy of actually winning a game yourself. My obsession is the game and the pleasure of discovery, rather than my rating..

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Hey Marinkatomb, I respect you man.
Always remember that.. 🙂

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Originally posted by jcmessy
Find a game of your own. And expose it like the guy
who prove it to me, on this link. Game 9159004
Notice his strength.. This kind of play and rating strength
don't match. Now That's an Engine User.. Game 9159004
You have to show proof of experience before accusing someone.
That's not good and very unethical when you don't have a proof like the one
I have here...
How do you figure ths guy is an engine user? What makes you think his strength doesn't match his play? These seem like two close losses to me. I don't know the matchup rates, but I'm betting its not very high.

But then again, what do I know?

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Look @ the difference of his play on this links > Game 9159004
and this link > Game 9156562 ...
Did you see the difference? have you truly notice??
Now that's how you learn the difference.
can you catch one? and expose that person by showing it to us??
That is the reason that you have to have a proof.
without proof, It becomes invalid.. fair enough??

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Neither player was using an engine in either of those two games.

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Originally posted by jcmessy
Look @ the difference of his play on this links > Game 9159004
and this link > Game 9156562 ...
Did you see the difference? have you truly notice??
Now that's how you learn the difference.
can you catch one? and expose that person by showing it to us??
That is the reason that you have to have a proof.
without proof, It becomes invalid.. fair enough??
jcmessy, personally I don't know what your opponent's matchup rates are. However, consider you might be wrong, and if so you have just publicly accused someone of cheating (which I think might violate some rule on this site-someone who knows correct me if I'm wrong)?

Even if your opponent did have high matchup rates, two games alone is not enough data to prove this. I agree with your take on engine use, although I personally don't get all animated about it-I just avoid them when I see them. You shouldn't have accused your opponent publicly with the 'proofs' you have. They are not sufficient.

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Originally posted by King Tiger
jcmessy, personally I don't know what your opponent's matchup rates are. However, consider you might be wrong, and if so you have just publicly accused someone of cheating (which I think might violate some rule on this site-someone who knows correct me if I'm wrong)?

Even if your opponent did have high matchup rates, two games alone is not enough data have accused your opponent publicly with the 'proofs' you have. They are not sufficient.
My thoughts exactly. JC, when we talk about RJ being a cheat it is because his games have been ran through a rigorous batch analysis. Can you say the same of your opponent? I think you are mad that you lost to a player that you previously beat and automatically assumed he must be cheating. Losses happen. Learn from them and get over them. Don't whine about them.

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No. I don't whined. I was just showing you guys, an also perfect endgame play of my opponent,
who is not even a "Grandmaster", but yet his endgame play on this > Game 9159004
was Grandmaster Strength. Do you know of GM here??
Listen, I know my "OTB Rating" and Strength. But I cannot tell you, for viewers might call me
boastful. Can i whisper to you? I know my "Over-the-board" Chess Prowess. fair enough?

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Try entering the endgame position into an online tablebase (e.g. http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en) and you'll see that his technique wasn't so perfect.

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FL, Thanks for the info (web-link) man...
🙂

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Originally posted by jcmessy
Find a game of your own. And expose it like the guy
who prove it to me, on this link. Game 9159004
Notice his strength.. This kind of play and rating strength
don't match. Now That's an Engine User.. Game 9159004
You have to show proof of experience before accusing someone.
That's not good and very unethical when you don't have a proof like the one
I have here...
I know of three people, myself included, who have ran a full 20 game engine analysis of RJHinds.

Thread 14536

page 13 for the 'sexy' stuff.

RJHinds
The Near Genius

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I have told you guys how to increase your ability to choose the best move if you would take the time. Everyone can play much better here than they can OTB. One of the big things that all should do if they wish to play better games on here is to use the Analyze Board feature, once you get out of the book opening you are using, before making your move. The drawback is that it may also increase your chances of matching the move a computer chess engine might make.

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Originally posted by jcmessy
No. I don't whined. I was just showing you guys, an also perfect endgame play of my opponent,
who is not even a "Grandmaster", but yet his endgame play on this > Game 9159004
was Grandmaster Strength. Do you know of GM here??
Listen, I know my "OTB Rating" and Strength. But I cannot tell you, for viewers might call me
boastful. Can i whisper to you? I know my "Over-the-board" Chess Prowess. fair enough?
Analysis Houdini 1.5a x64 Hash:512 Time:30s Max Depth:20ply

{ White: jcmessy }
{ Top 1 Match: 41/79 ( 51.9% )
{ Top 2 Match: 60/79 ( 75.9% )
{ Top 3 Match: 66/79 ( 83.5% )
{ Top 4 Match: 69/79 ( 87.3% )

{ Black: darklore }
{ Top 1 Match: 36/79 ( 45.6% )
{ Top 2 Match: 54/79 ( 68.4% )
{ Top 3 Match: 57/79 ( 72.2% )
{ Top 4 Match: 65/79 ( 82.3% )

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