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Originally posted by hedonistOf course - in OTB chess one has to claim to the tournament judge, but most chess sites in blitz games (and also in correspondence games) have also authomatic draw after threefold repetiitons.
The rules of chess state that you must claim a draw for threefold/50 move. The only automatic draw is a stalemate. So RHP does it right.
Though the lone king thing should be made auto on this site, in my view.
You said that it's interfering with the FIDE rules and that RHP does rigth.
Amen.
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Originally posted by RedKnight12I've never heard such awkward view of perpetual check.
The point is when you know you're losing in a game you should not claim a draw. A true draw to me is either when both parties agree to it or when a king is unable to move without being in check position.
It sounds like you learned chess in Octagon Ultimate Fight ring.
Check this game.
I saved my ass by perpetual check. But it was only blitz 5+3.
I played awfully bad and was lost for the most period of the game, Black could have exchanged Queens several times and checkmated me, but he allowed notorious perpetual check...
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Originally posted by vanderveldeWrong. You just need to say its a draw. If opponent has any problems with that, you THEN go to the arbiter. The same as if you mate and for some reason he wants to play on🙄
Of course - in OTB chess one has to claim to the tournament judge, but most chess sites in blitz games (and also in correspondence games) have also authomatic draw after threefold repetiitons.
You said that it's interfering with the FIDE rules and that RHP does rigth.
Amen.
vander, that game you're showing us here is so even. I would accept a draw without a doubt if I was involved in a game like that. Let me also say that I dont really care about any particular games, I just wanna know what the rules are. The game I indicated here I am ahead by far. Its all good though, this is a good debate. I had no idea one could do that legally specially in a game when they are behind.
green thanks for that thread link, if I had seen that, I probably wouldnt have bothered starting another one. Thanks to those with helpful comments.
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Originally posted by RedKnight12Well, now, that's just too bad.
Thats not the point. The point is when you know you're losing in a game you should not claim a draw. A true draw to me is either when both parties agree to it or when a king is unable to move without being in check position.
IMO, a football team should not be allowed to come back to draw when they're 1-nil down against my locals, but the blighters keep doing it and even winning! Who can I complain to, FIFA?
Richard
Forcing the draw with perpetual check can be a key piece of strategy too.
Here is a blitz game (unrated ... therefore crazy!) that I played today, which illustrates the draw as a strategy. I was black.
Of course this game looks great, but if you have seen the opening below it's all easy.
Originally posted by RedKnight12If your opponent can claim a draw, they are not losing. There is no point to be made. If your opponent can force or claim a draw, you are NOT winning.
Thats not the point. The point is when you know you're losing in a game you should not claim a draw. A true draw to me is either when both parties agree to it or when a king is unable to move without being in check position.
Thinking that you are winning when in fact you are not will not make it so.
The simplest test is that if you are winning, prove it and checkmate the person. If you can't, then you aren't winning.
It's OK to be ignorant of the rules and the structure of the game, because we all started out that way, and learned.
However, to be ignorant and righteously indignant at the same time is a bit much. Instead of presuming that your opponent is in error, it might be better to ask if you are missing something and see where the answers take you. In this case, your presumptiveness merely has made you the object of ridicule, which I am sure was not the desired result.
Hopefully you'll be able to laugh about this in the future. Twenty five years ago my college roommate (he's bralen on the site here) and I were finishing a game where it was king and two knights versus king. We were both novices, and did not know that the game was drawn.
He finally got tired of my attempts, and said "Hey, I think it's a draw. You can keep playing for both of us, and if you find a mate, let me know." I spent over an hour before I finally game up, and only learned later that it is a well-known "book" draw.
I was annoyed at the time because I invested so much time in what I now know is a well-known drawn position, but now I look back and laugh about it! Hopefully you'll have your share of laughs in the future as well.
paul maybe before you make a comment like that you should bother and read all my comments before pointing out just that 2 sentences you quoted. I already thanked all the helpful comments which if you have the ability to understand it means I accepted that this is the rules. In fact in one of my comments I said if thats the case then I just have to go with it so I'm not sure why you say "However, to be ignorant and righteously indignant at the same time is a bit much".
As for those with sarcastic comments, well I asked a serious question and I never said I'm expert at this or anything so I was only looking for serious helpful answers. Having said that , for those of you who think you are smart by making sarcastic comments, if you really wanna know what I think of your comments just email me in private and I let you know what I think but this is a public forum.
I just wanted a good debate, thats all.
Originally posted by RedKnight12That's good enough for me.
paul maybe before you make a comment like that you should bother and read all my comments before pointing out just that 2 sentences you quoted. I already thanked all the helpful comments which if you have the ability to understand it means I accepted that this is the rules. In fact in one of my comments I said if thats the case then I just have to go wi ...[text shortened]... you know what I think but this is a public forum.
I just wanted a good debate, thats all.
Originally posted by RedKnight12There is really nothing to debate. As for your thoughts, I could care less about them. I ignore no one so feel free to message me about it. And unlike SOME people here, it shall remain confidential.
paul maybe before you make a comment like that you should bother and read all my comments before pointing out just that 2 sentences you quoted. I already thanked all the helpful comments which if you have the ability to understand it means I accepted that this is the rules. In fact in one of my comments I said if thats the case then I just have to go wi ...[text shortened]... you know what I think but this is a public forum.
I just wanted a good debate, thats all.