Grob's Attack

It would be nice to actually see some games from first tournament but apparently they all have corrupted game history.

EDIT : as far as I understand about grob from what I've read and experienced, you want to rule long diagonal, you want open center free (c4 almost a must?!) of pawns, you do not castle. But it doesn't seem hard for white to take safely center with pawns, and put his bishop to b7 and rule that diagonal as well.. As for common traps, then won't work against an 2000. Where I can read something to be better prepared ? Any famous game ?

You can read some advice there:

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/041001_h_t_,mt_plsh_grb3.html

Originally posted by ivan2908
Where I can read something to be better prepared ? Any famous game ?

Originally posted by hunterknox
http://delicious.com/hunterknox/Grob

There's four books out there too, to my knowledge.

While we're on the subject, I want to see some Romford counter gambits out there people, not any of this cowardly c3 or Ne7-Ng6-Nh4 stuff. If you're going to win with black do it in style!

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
From memory as I'm at work

The Tactical Grob by Hugh Bloodgood;
The Killer Grob by Basman
The Grob by Wall.

I have these 3, can't think of the 4th offhand but if it exists I have it also.

Originally posted by tomtom232
Those books are just as useless as the opening itself i'd be willing to bet.

I have The Tactical Grob and The Killer Grob. Grob's Attack by Wall is one I don't have. He usually just dumps games together and calls it a book. Does anyone have Dynamic White Openings or Dynamic Black Defenses by Harding. They cover all the wild openings like 1. g4 and 1 . ...g5?

Originally posted by ivan2908
Wohoo, welcome back !

Originally posted by tomtom232
Those books are just as useless as the opening itself i'd be willing to bet.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
... and I'd be willing to bet I'd beat you with it!

1.g4?! d5 2.Bg2 e5 3.h3 h5! is pretty good for Black I'd say. It's what the Grobbists dread.


Then for instance; 4.gxh5 Nf6 5.c4 dxc4 6.Qa4+ c6 7.Qxc4 Be6
or
4.g5 Bc5 5.d3 f5!

Originally posted by tomtom232
I'd be willing to take that bet.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Then I suggest you enter the Grob tournament and prove it.

Yesterday, after being up about 13 hours, I decided to give the Grob a test run. I seeked 3 0 unrated games with white, and played 1. g4 in every game. Here are my games. They are very flawed, but any Grob practice is good practice. I won every game, but some are time wins.
[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "GuestNYWR"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 b6 2. Bg2 c6 3. c4 Na6 4. Nc3 Nc5 5. d4 Ne6 6. d5 Nc7 7. dxc6 Rb8 8.
cxd7+ Bxd7 9. Bf4 Nf6 10. g5 Ng4 11. h3 e5 12. Bc1 Nxf2 13. Kxf2 Bc5+ 14.
Be3 O-O 15. Nf3 Bxe3+ 16. Kxe3 Ne6 17. Nd5 Bc6 18. h4 b5 19. Nxe5 Bxd5 20.
cxd5 Qb6+ 21. Kf3 Nc5 22. e3 Rfe8 23. Ng4 Ne4 24. Qd4 Qxd4 25. exd4 Rbd8
26. Rhe1 Nd2+ 27. Kg3 Rxe1 28. Rxe1 Rxd5 29. Bxd5 g6 30. Nf6+ Kg7 31. Re8
Nf1+ 32. Kf2 Nh2 33. Rg8#
*
[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "GSON"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "1268"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 e5 2. d3 d6 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. g5 Ng8 5. c4 f6 6. h4 Be6 7. Bxb7 Nd7 8.
Nc3 Rb8 9. Bg2 fxg5 10. hxg5 Be7 11. Be4 g6 12. Bxg6+ hxg6 13. Rxh8 Bxg5
14. Nf3 Bf4 15. Bxf4 exf4 16. Qc1 Qf6 17. Rh2 Ne5 18. Nxe5 Qxe5 19. Qc2 f3
20. Rh4 Nf6 21. O-O-O Ke7 22. exf3 Qg5+ 23. Qd2 Qxh4 24. Re1 Kd7 25. f4 a6
26. Qe3
*

[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "bastardu"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "1739"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 e5 2. d3 d5 3. h3 h5 4. g5 Bc5 5. c3 Nc6 6. b4 Bb6 7. a4 a5 8. b5
Nce7 9. Nf3 e4 10. dxe4 dxe4 11. Qxd8+ Kxd8 12. Ne5 Be6 13. Na3 f6 14. Nec4
Bc5 15. Rg1 f5 16. Ne5 Bd6 17. Nac4 Bxc4 18. Nxc4 Bc5 19. Be3 Bxe3 20. Nxe3
g6 21. O-O-O+ Ke8 22. Nd5 Nxd5 23. Rxd5 Ne7 24. Re5 Kf7 25. e3 Rhd8 26.
Bc4+ Kf8 27. Rd1 Rxd1+ 28. Kxd1 Rd8+ 29. Kc2 c6 30. Re6 Rd7 31. Rf6+ Ke8
32. Bf7+ Kd8 33. Bxg6 Kc7 34. Bxf5 Nxf5 35. Rxf5 cxb5 36. Rxb5 Rf7 37. Rxa5
Rxf2+ 38. Kb3 Rg2 39. h4 Rg4 40. Rf5 Rxh4 41. g6 Rg4 42. Rf7+ Kc6 43. g7 h4
44. Rf4 Rxg7 45. Rxh4 Re7 46. Kc4 Re5 47. Rh6+ Kc7 48. Rh1 b6 49. Ra1 Kb7
50. Kd4 Re6 51. a5 b5 52. a6+ Ka7 53. Kd5 Re7 54. Kc5 Re5+ 55. Kb4 Re6 56.
Kxb5 Rb6+ 57. Kc5 Rxa6 58. Rxa6+ Kxa6 59. Kd4 Kb6 60. Kxe4 Kc6 61. Kd4 Kd6
62. e4 Ke6 63. c4 Kd6 64. c5+ Kc6 65. Kc4 Kd7 66. Kd5 Kc7 67. c6 Kd8 68.
Kd6 Kc8 69. c7 Kb7 70. Kd7 Kb6 71. c8=Q Kb5 72. Qc6+ Kb4 73. e5 Kb3 74. e6
Kb2 75. e7 Kb1 76. e8=Q Kb2 77. Qb8+ Ka1 78. Qca8#
*

[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "ontocaustic"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 h5 2. g5 h4 3. d4 d5 4. c4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Qd6 6. cxd5 Qxd5 7. Nc3 Qa5 8.
d5 Nb8 9. Qb3 h3 10. Bd2 Qb6 11. Qc2 g6 12. Be3 Bf5 13. Bxb6 Bxc2 14. Bxc7
Na6 15. Be5 f6 16. Bd4 Bf5 17. e4 Bd7 18. Bxa6 bxa6 19. e5 f5 20. e6 Bb5
21. Nxb5 axb5 22. Bxh8 Rc8 23. Kd2 Rc4 24. Rac1
*
[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "ontocaustic"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 h5 2. g5 h4 3. d4 d5 4. c4 dxc4 5. e4 c6 6. Bxc4 Qb6 7. Nc3 Qc7 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nge2 Bd6 10. e5 Be7 11. g6 c5 12. gxf7+ Kxf7 13. Be3 Nc6 14. d5
exd5 15. Nxd5 Qb6 16. Nxb6+
*

[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "ontocaustic"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 Bc8 4. cxd5 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nbd7 6. e4 Nb6 7. a4 a5
8. Nge2 Ng4 9. h3 Nf6 10. d4 e6 11. dxe6 fxe6
*

[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "GuestZYKV"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 e5 2. d3 d5 3. h3 Nc6 4. Bg2 Be7 5. e3 Be6 6. a3 Nf6 7. b4 a6 8. Nd2
Nd7 9. Nb3 O-O 10. Bb2 f6 11. Ne2 Bd6 12. f4 f5 13. g5 e4 14. Nbd4 Nxd4 15.
Nxd4 Qe7 16. c4 exd3 17. Nxe6 Rfe8 18. cxd5 c6 19. Qxd3 cxd5 20. Bxd5
*
[Event "ICS Unrated blitz match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.08.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "paulbuchman"]
[Black "GuestZYKV"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2025"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 c5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. g5 Nfd7 6. cxd5 Qxg5 7. Kf1 exd5
8. Nxd5 Na6 9. d4 Qf5 10. e4 Qg6 11. Be3 Nf6 12. Nxf6+ Qxf6 13. Nf3 Bg4 14.
Qa4+ Bd7 15. Qb3 b5 16. Bg5 Qg6 17. Qd5 Rc8 18. Rd1 Be7 19. Bxe7 Kxe7 20.
Ne5 Qe6 21. Qxd7+ Qxd7 22. Nxd7 Kxd7 23. Bh3+
*

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
Have you ever tried the Grob against an ECF 150 or so OTB?