Originally posted by EmLaskerI remember skimming through a game of his a week or so ago, and was just amazed how ugly it was (pointless opening moves) and how he still managed to totally crush his opponent. I wanted to check it with fritz, but I still don't have anything installed on my spanking new vista... (anybody happen to know how to make fritz 9 work on vista?)
he played like a patzer back in july, and now he is 2000.
Originally posted by cmsMastercmsmaster yer a strong 1700 and you know it....
Well I was 1100 two months ago, and I'm almost 1400 now - and I'll probably be 1600 in a couple more months, that's definitely not evidence of cheating. These rating jumps are clues, but you can never assume someone is cheating without checking their moves with an engine. My game against him didn't make me think he was using an engine at all, but I suppose it's possible he chose not to - the game was set piece anyway...
why its taking you so long to get back is anyone guess.
Originally posted by wormwoodWhat seems to be the problem with getting it on there? I've got Fritz 9, but I run it on XP - why doesn't it install on Vista?
I remember skimming through a game of his a week or so ago, and was just amazed how ugly it was (pointless opening moves) and how he still managed to totally crush his opponent. I wanted to check it with fritz, but I still don't have anything installed on my spanking new vista... (anybody happen to know how to make fritz 9 work on vista?)
Originally posted by wormwoodi have vista....
I remember skimming through a game of his a week or so ago, and was just amazed how ugly it was (pointless opening moves) and how he still managed to totally crush his opponent. I wanted to check it with fritz, but I still don't have anything installed on my spanking new vista... (anybody happen to know how to make fritz 9 work on vista?)
it sucks.
Originally posted by adramforallThe point I was making is that using databases is allowed.
Most players on this site ain't grand masters though.
Databases contain games played by grand masters.
Lots of grand masters will use a computer to check their opening preparation - plus even after the opening has passed a computer will agree with many of their moves.
What happens if somebody manages to find games that can be won simply by using the moves from a database? That will set alarm bells off strieght away (unless the game moderators also check the games have never been played before - nobody knows quite what the criteria is for the test)
Originally posted by chessisvanityWell I can only move and win games so fast, I have probably 5 games over 35 moves that are clear wins for me, but my opponents are stubborn. I haven't really lost many games recently, but CC takes some time to finish games.
cmsmaster yer a strong 1700 and you know it....
why its taking you so long to get back is anyone guess.
I am a good friend of Matt (ih8sens)
He asked me to post this for you
"I didn't cheat.. I admit i've been using engines to study the traxler a lot and perhaps some of my moves may look suspicious in those games but I have been using my own mind to find moves. I would like to see some proof though I obviously won't... anyways, I'm not sure I'd even want to play on a site that unfairly banns it's members. Sorry to anyone this has inconvenienced but I do ask that you look through my games yourself to decide.. "
Originally posted by grater216That messages is pretty typical of most banned players - although it seems far more rational than what we usually get (one french player who cheated comes to mind...).
I am a good friend of Matt (ih8sens)
He asked me to post this for you
"I didn't cheat.. I admit i've been using engines to study the traxler a lot and perhaps some of my moves may look suspicious in those games but I have been using my own mind to find moves. I would like to see some proof though I obviously won't... anyways, I'm not sure I'd even w ...[text shortened]... is has inconvenienced but I do ask that you look through my games yourself to decide.. "
Thanks for posting this, grater. I'm not entirely sure what I think about this whole thing - As I said earlier, in the one game that I played against him on RHP I got no inclination of him cheating. Personally, I'd like to hear what MadMac has to say, because of the game that Matt played against him in the Traxler and won in awesome fashion.
Originally posted by cmsMasterwell it's not supposed to work on vista, although I didn't actually even try... (I just love vista, never has moving into a new OS been so easy...
What seems to be the problem with getting it on there? I've got Fritz 9, but I run it on XP - why doesn't it install on Vista?
I don't really do much engine analysis anymore, so it's not a big deal or something I'd use much time troubleshooting, but it would be nice to have fritz on when I've actually paid money for it. pretty same with chessbase, haven't used a db since last summer, but sometimes you want to find some specific games etc...
That it took him 9 months to go from 1300 to 1500, and then only 3 months to go from 1500 to almost 2000, yes that is very suspicious. When the most he contributes, at that level of supposed chess understanding, is to 'sac your pieces and attack', well that also raises some eyebrows.
And when he gets into long discussions of a particular theoretical line in an opening that consist of nothing more than how many hours he's spent analyzing possible continuations with Fritz, again, even though its nothing in and of itself when taken as whole, and from a near 2000 level player who plays this particular line... and lastly, I have seen him post some of his "annotated" games here where the "annotations" consist of nothing more than what order Fritz ranked "his" move choice as (always 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice).
I have to wonder if his initial foray into engine use began innocently enough, for instance he was very interested in the Traxler and had gotten himself involved in a long winded debate on it where he eventually started analyzing the key theoretical position with Fritz. Having spent, as he put it, many hours on such analysis he likely saved it in a database and probably began referring to it in his Traxler games. From there it was probably a small step to begin accumulating more engine analysis in the other sharp openings he enjoyed (for instance, the KG) and referring to that when those positions arose.
Pretty soon his play is based more and more on lines that he's analyzed with engines and less and less on the moves of prior human-human games and his own, unassisted, analysis. Meanwhile in conducting so much engine analysis, which play very distinctively and counter-intuitively to what human players look for, his positional understand, however developed it was, becomes warped while his own calculation and evaluation ability becomes increasingly unused and softer. By then he's probably to the point where he can't decide on a move on his own or calculate the consequences so he starts consulting his silicon companion for advice. After all its served him well enough in the lines he's played that it analyzed for him, how different really to ask its input in a current position from referring to its analysis that he prepared in advance for other games? And besides, how would he look if he made some foolish patzer move after pulling off brilliant attacks in earlier games with the help of his Fritz preparation.
And thus the slippery slope that any aspiring chess player can fall into when they start thinking along the lines of "hey, Kramnik and other top GMs routinely use engines when preparing for games or researching theoretical novelties, what is the difference if I do it?".
Well guess what? We aren't top GMs. Those guys already have a positional and tactical ability that is light years beyond ours. Input from an engine prior to a game or when doing research is simply a source of an idea or two that they have the knowledge to evaluate the merits of on their own, and they'd certainly be no worse off without it. And never could be a crutch, nor do the have the benefit of having such research on hand to consult whenever the need arises - as if they'd need to.
But when a patzer tries to emulate the GM by using the same tool for the same purpose, he is embarking on a fool's errand. For him the analysis isn't a source of inspiration or an idea or two, it is the silicon clad answer to questions that he cannot work out on his own. Nor can he understand the analysis, appreciate the tactics and positional considerations involved, or work out on his own alernative moves and their deviations. At best, its a waste of time. At worst its a step down the same path ih8sens has walked and many others before him (and doubtless many others after him), all ending the same sad sorry way. With a ban and protestations of how innocent they are. Given the nuances involved in the small steps that lead them down this path and the rationalizations they create to justify doing it and on their increasing reliance on engine use, no doubt in their own mind they really are innocent of foul play.
Good riddance to him anyone stupid enough to follow in his footsteps. There are CC sites where this type of thing is permitted. If you're too much of a coward to work things out on your own or play on sites where engines are allowed and you can match your copy of Fritz against other patzer's copies of their preferred engine, then RHP is better off without you and your ilk cannot be cleansed from this site soon enough for my liking.
Originally posted by chessisvanityI doubt it, I've played ih8sens on Playchess and he didn't play at an 800 level.
grater216 is ih8sens.
I will say that his ratings on there suggest that he should be 1700-1800 RHP with some time and effort put into the games on here. He smashed me in blitz, but so did everybody during that time of the day..so I can't comment on his actual play there.
Originally posted by wormwoodYeah, I know what you're saying, but if it's not SUPPOSED to work, then I doubt it will. However, Fritz 11 just came out, and that would be a nice upgrade - probably worth the money too if you have some $30 or $40 to spend.
well it's not supposed to work on vista, although I didn't actually even try... (I just love vista, never has moving into a new OS been so easy...
I don't really do much engine analysis anymore, so it's not a big deal or something I'd use much time troubleshooting, but it would be nice to have fritz on when I've actually paid money for it. pretty same wi ...[text shortened]... 't used a db since last summer, but sometimes you want to find some specific games etc...
Originally posted by scandiumExcellent explanation and a rec for you, I think this assessment is quite accurate.
That it took him 9 months to go from 1300 to 1500, and then only 3 months to go from 1500 to almost 2000, yes that is very suspicious. When the most he contributes, at that level of supposed chess understanding, is to 'sac your pieces and attack', well that also raises some eyebrows.
And when he gets into long discussions of a particular theoretical lin ...[text shortened]... and your ilk cannot be cleansed from this site soon enough for my liking.