05 Dec 06
Originally posted by Fat LadyYes, the law used to be as you say. In fact Tarrasch once lost a game because of it. He was White and the game had started 1. e4 d5
I think there used to be a rule that said if you touched a piece and had no legal move with that piece (e.g. touching a knight pinned to the king) then you had to move your king. I'm certain that this is no longer in the rulebook (if it ever was).[/b]
2. exd5 Qxd5, and he intended to play the obvious 3. Nc3, but accidentally picked up the Queen's Bishop. and placed it on c3. As this was an illegal move, he had to replace it with a King move. So; 3. Ke2 is the only one, and 3. ... Qe4 is mate. This was sometime about 1900, and I suspect that it was this incident that led to the change in the laws.
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by rourkeyClearly its not move over otherwise you could get out of stalemate and zugzwang situations just by moving a piece and putting it back.
Hi everybody
My name is rourkey and i'm from Manchester.
Me and my friend had a friendly fall out which has not been resolved even through a couple of rule books.
It was my move and i picked my queen up moved it to a certain square but kept hold of the piece then changed my mind and put the queen back in the original square and took my hand off the ...[text shortened]... en back and that should be my move.
I'de love this resolved
Thanks everybody
Rourkey
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by climb2highIt breaks people of the annoying habit of moving pieces all around while still deciding what move to make.
I hate that rule. I don't see any point in touch piece play piece.
sorry i can't help you resolve anything, but in my book, it does not change anything if you touch or not.
In my opinion, it is so incredibly annoying when one moves a piece and moves it back, that there needs to be a penalty to encourage people to think first and then move. If touch move were not a rule, just think how much psychological battle would be fought via numerous decoy moves prior to the 'real' move being made.
I realize it is possible to move a piece and move it back under touch move rules, but a least you have constrained your next move by doing so, which is sufficient penalty to discourage haphazard piece moving.
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon Fire...but once you have touced the Queen, you must move it. You cannot touch a piece and then move another piece, that is against the rules...
If you returned your Queen to its original square you have not yet made a move.
You have touched the Queen so must move it somewhere.
If you removed your hand somewhere other than the original square and the move is legal then that is your move.
05 Dec 06
I had an opponent say he was adjusting a piece, then tried it out on a couple of squares before deciding where he actually wanted to move it. I didn’t say anything the first time. The second time I asked him to quit. He told me he wasn’t breaking any rules. The TD (the guy’s friend) told me the same thing! I had to point out the rule where you are forbidden to annoy your opponent because it DID annoy me.
06 Dec 06
Originally posted by masscatActually this is a breach of the Law, which from
[b]I had an opponent say he was adjusting a piece, then tried it out on a couple of squares before deciding where he actually wanted to move it.
http://fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE1 : -
Article 4.2 Provided that he first expresses his intention (e.g. by saying "j`adoube" or "I adjust"😉, the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares.
So under the "j'adoube" Law,moving them to another square is NOT permitted.
06 Dec 06
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI always thought releasing the piece meant that's where it had to stay.
This is indeed an interesting thread!
First you tuch a piece, then you move it to its destination, then you release it - and then you press your clock.
Pressing the clock confirms that the move is done. Am I right?
There was a pretty famous tournament aaaages ago with no clocks I remember reading about (sorry being very vague today) so the taking off of one's hand from a piece must have signified the end of the move in that case. Of course the rule could have been changed since.
Anyone know for sure?
06 Dec 06
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYou know you are wrong!
This is indeed an interesting thread!
First you tuch a piece, then you move it to its destination, then you release it - and then you press your clock.
Pressing the clock confirms that the move is done. Am I right?
Releasing the piece confirms the move was done. If you forget to press your clock I might just spend longer than usual thinking about my reply to your done move.
Edit: I know this for sure but someone can quote the FIDE regulation I am sure.
06 Dec 06
Originally posted by Dragon FireFrom : http://fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101
[b]You know you are wrong!
Releasing the piece confirms the move was done. If you forget to press your clock I might just spend longer than usual thinking about my reply to your done move.
Article 4.7.1 : When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot then be moved to another square.
Article 6.8 : During the game each player, having made his move on the chessboard, shall stop his own clock and start his opponent`s clock. .......... His move is not considered to have been completed until he has done so, unless the move that was made ends the game. (See Articles 5.1, and 5.2)
The time between making the move on the chessboard and stopping his own clock and starting his opponent`s clock is regarded as part of the time allotted to the player.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by climb2highIt makes you think more about moving your pieces than actually moving them. I find it to be a good exercise.
I hate that rule. I don't see any point in touch piece play piece.
sorry i can't help you resolve anything, but in my book, it does not change anything if you touch or not.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Essex 3So what does that mean, exactly? I make a legal move with my queen to a square other that its original square; let go of it; and then forget to stop my own clock. My clock continues ticking away. My queen move isn't completed. And if it happens that at that moment I ran out of time, I would lose the game on time. Fine.
From : http://fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101
Article 4.7.1 : When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot then be moved to another square.
Article 6.8 : During the game each player, having made his move on the chessboard, shall stop his own clock and start his opponent`s clock. .......... Hi ...[text shortened]... clock and starting his opponent`s clock is regarded as part of the time allotted to the player.
So does that mean, since my move hasn't been completed yet, do I have the option to move my queen to a different square, having let go of it earlier? Surely that doesn't sound correct to me?
07 Dec 06
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Originally posted by rourkeyThat is called a hand check and is not proper etiquette.
Hi everybody
My name is rourkey and i'm from Manchester.
Me and my friend had a friendly fall out which has not been resolved even through a couple of rule books.
It was my move and i picked my queen up moved it to a certain square but kept hold of the piece then changed my mind and put the queen back in the original square and took my hand off the ...[text shortened]... en back and that should be my move.
I'de love this resolved
Thanks everybody
Rourkey
Try that crap against me in over the board play, I'd slap the taste outta your mouth.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by Ice Coldcalm down dude. sometimes you think and think and think and think and you get ready to make your move and you pick up the piece and you look to see that you'll be hanging it. well, you can't just put it there and give up the piece without compensation. so you put it back and think over where the best place to move that piece is. why would it bother you or anyone else for that matter? they are still obligated to move the piece they touched.
That is called a hand check and is not proper etiquette.
Try that crap against me in over the board play, I'd slap the taste outta your mouth.