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Develop, Ngf6 is chess 101. Don't castle until he castles, whoever can restrain themselves from castling the longest may have an edge.

Originally posted by Exiled
Develop, Ngf6 is chess 101. Don't castle until he castles, whoever can restrain themselves from castling the longest may have an edge.

Originally posted by Ragnorak
No, I meant kingside. I had been thinking about castling queenside earlier. kingside looks a whole lot more secure now, especially after seeing what IM did to SirLoseAlot's queenside castle.

e6 seems to be the move to play here alright.

The moves you listed are slightly off. Should be... 11 ...e6 12 Bf4 Bd6 13 Bxd6 Qxd6 14 [b]Ne4

That's pr ...[text shortened]... the fight to him a little with Qb4? I'd prefer to have Ngf6 played first, but hey?

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This line:
11. ...e6
12. Bf4 Qb6
13.(forced) Be7 or Bb4+
white@13: o-o-o,Qd3,b3,?
14.(forced) Ng8f6

This may shock a few ppl, but look at the board in a HUMAN SENSE and STRATEGICLY, if say, we castle queenside immediately, then public enemy number 1 can simply queenside pawn storm attack anyways, despite his advancing kingside. This may shock a few ppl, as this will leave public enemy number 1's king in the center, but does black have a way to attack that king in the center? Nope, it's one of those strange dynamics in chess, we cannot attack his king immediately in the center right now and no matter where we castle, he can attack us sooner/quickly and we have to meet that threat and go passive/defensive. So, best to wait until he castles first, then we can see what his whole plan is then, and attapt. We already know he can only castle queenside right now, if he does castle at all, let's keep both castling options open to keep him guessing (we have a phych advantage here) and just develop and maybe eye his centered king a bit. e6 is good, so is Nf6. Castling queenside immediately ruins the cat and mouse/poker game we have set up to our advantage, and plans become crystal clear and the game, while exciting, becomes an attacking race which I think we might lose, subtlety, that's how you win with black, keep public enemy number 1 guessing.

Originally posted by Exiled
This may shock a few ppl, but look at the board in a HUMAN SENSE and STRATEGICLY, if say, we castle queenside immediately, then public enemy number 1 can simply queenside pawn storm attack anyways, despite his advancing kingside. This may shock a few ppl, as this will leave public enemy number 1's king in the center, but does black have a way to attack that ...[text shortened]... nk we might lose, subtlety, that's how you win with black, keep public enemy number 1 guessing.

I'm going to put this to the vote.
Vote here...
http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=19961&page=%201

xs:
'11 ...e6 12 Bf4 Bd6 ??? 13 Bxd6 Qxd6
If we're not castling queenside why worry about a blocking bishop? We don't improve our position by trading bishops, do we?
How about 12...Qb6 (attacking). Depending on his next move the bishop might be useful to check him or threaten his rook. '

The reason why I had the attacking move after the bishop exchange was because Qb4 seems to be a more dangerous move (double attack: check plus b2) than Qb6. Also, as somebody pointed out to me earlier in the thread, the bishop doesn't block the queenside castle anyway.

Also to xs, I can't quite make out the moves you've written in your next post.

flexmore:
'Nd7f6 does seem to limit the rook, before or after e6. '

I really don't like Nd7f6 before e6, and I don't see how it could be played after e6. Anyway, seeing as it was put forward, I'll add it to the list of candidate moves, which is...

11 ...e6
11 ...Ngf6
11 ...Ndf6

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Back from the dead? Nope, not really, although I wouldn't be surprised if some of my old/odd friends in RHP beleived that I died, seeing that it has been a year since my exile. What exactly are you talking about? And I'm not your mate.

Game 868388



votes for
11 ...e6
11 ...Ngf6
11 ...Ndf6

e6

e6

Game 868388

IM has played Bf4 as expected.

We've a couple of options.
1) 12 ...Bd6 13 Bxd6 Qxd6 14 Ne4
2) 12 ...Qh5, to try to get the bishop back on d2.

Any thoughts?

D

Originally posted by Ragnorak
Game 868388

IM has played Bf4 as expected.

We've a couple of options.
1) 12 ...Bd6 13 Bxd6 Qxd6 14 Ne4
2) 12 ...Qh5, to try to get the bishop back on d2.

Any thoughts?

D

Originally posted by Ragnorak
Game 868388

IM has played Bf4 as expected.

We've a couple of options.
1) 12 ...Bd6 13 Bxd6 Qxd6 14 Ne4
2) 12 ...Qh5, to try to get the bishop back on d2.

Any thoughts?

D

Originally posted by schakuhr
I think you meant "2) ...Qa5+" by that?

In my opinion 12 ...Qb6 is best here, since the bishop cant threathen the black queen there, and he will have to protect b2 (probably with 13. b3 on which Le7 will follow).