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24 Jan 05
23 Feb 05
Ah, but the advantage of 12...Qb6 over 14...Qb4 is that we keep our bishop, and we can play 13...Be7 forcing the Rook at h4 to withdraw, then after it does 14... Ngf6 seems to complete the development, and unless I'm missing some tactical trick we will have an even position.
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by ilywrinI don't think that works. What if the rook doesn't withdraw?
Ah, but the advantage of 12...Qb6 over 14...Qb4 is that we keep our bishop, and we can play 13...Be7 forcing the Rook at h4 to withdraw, then after it does 14... Ngf6 seems to complete the development, and unless I'm missing some tactical trick we will have an even position.
12. Bf4 Qb6 13. O-O-O Be7 14. Rg4
At that point, there are only 2 moves to make: 14 ...Bf8 (horrible) or 14 ...Bf6. We're really struggling not to lose a pawn after that, and our queen is well removed from the action. Unless we played 14 ...Qa5, but I'm still struggling to find an even position.
Instead of getting him onto the back front, we'd be inviting him in on our undeveloped king side. Unless I'm missing something here, it doesn't look like a good path to go down.
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23 Feb 05
Originally posted by Ragnorakhmm, how about 14... Ngf6! 15.Rxg7 Bf8 seems to capture the rook
I don't think that works. What if the rook doesn't withdraw?
12. Bf4 Qb6 13. O-O-O Be7 14. Rg4
At that point, there are only 2 moves to make: 14 ...Bf8 (horrible) or 14 ...Bf6. We're really struggling not to lose a pawn after that, and our queen is well removed from the action. Unless we played 14 ...Qa5, but I'm still struggling to find an e ...[text shortened]... ng side. Unless I'm missing something here, it doesn't look like a good path to go down.
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Have to give it some more thought though 🙂 I am known for my brilliant blunders
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by ilywrinYou're probably wrong. After 15 ...Bf8, 16. Rxf7! would be the only solution for him, on which 16 ...Kxf7 will follow, and 17. Qg6+!!, and white gets the upper hand.
hmm, how about 14... Ngf6! 15.Rxg7 Bf8 seems to capture the rook
Have to give it some more thought though 🙂 I am known for my brilliant blunders
24 Feb 05
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it seems that everywhere we look, ironman has us struggling just to feel equal.
if we look at the second game against sirlosealot then maybe we can find a survival strategy at some stage:
Game 783257
how about move 20, what if we play 20 ... Kb8.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by schakuhr17... Ke7 and he has lost a rook for two pawns for a dubious attack. Sorry I can't agree here.
You're probably wrong. After 15 ...Bf8, 16. Rxf7! would be the only solution for him, on which 16 ...Kxf7 will follow, and 17. Qg6+!!, and white gets the upper hand.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by schakuhrI'll give it a thorough analysis if you wish but my intuition tells me there's no crusshing attack. Ne5 may be met by Rh7!?... anyway I'll look at it to see if there's any real danger.
I agree with Nyxie. And ilywrin, after that Ne5 would follow with an crushing attack, and we don't want that.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by ilywrinI think 19. Nxe7 Kxe7 20. Ne4 will follow to it, and then you will lose the Rook on h7. White has won 2 pawns then.
I'll give it a thorough analysis if you wish but my intuition tells me there's no crusshing attack. Ne5 may be met by Rh7!?... anyway I'll look at it to see if there's any real danger.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by Nyxieyou're missing the point if White's attack is not sufficient we will have a chance of wining this game much earlier than the endspiel. 😉... But as I said it would take some serious analysis... In any case we are in no hurry so the best move must be distinguished among all possible candidates 🙄.
Play the rook back and trade the knights and queen. If that's done we have a better chance in endgame.
Nyxie
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by ilywrinDon't think for a second I missed the point. I think attacking ironman early will lead to ruin. I have studied his games, and seen him destroy early attacks with a vengeance. If you unbalance the board in any way, it will collapse. Just my take on it. There are far better players then me here, I'd totally like to hear flexmore's take on my proposed line.
you're missing the point if White's attack is not sufficient we will have a chance of wining this game much earlier than the endspiel. 😉... But as I said it would take some serious analysis... In any case we are in no hurry so the best move must be distinguished among all possible candidates 🙄.
Nyxie
24 Feb 05
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Originally posted by NyxieGame 868388
Don't think for a second I missed the point. I think attacking ironman early will lead to ruin. I have studied his games, and seen him destroy early attacks with a vengeance. If you unbalance the board in any way, it will collapse. Just my t ...[text shortened]... otally like to hear flexmore's take on my proposed line.
Nyxie
Here's Nyxie's proposed game in pgn format for copying into something like chesspad...
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Nf3 Nd7 7. h4 h6 8. h5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Qc7 11. Rh4 e6 12. Bf4 Qa5+ 13. Bd2 Qb5 14. Qxb5 cxb5 15. O-O-O Be7 16. Rhh1 Ngf6 17. Ne5 Nxe5 18. dxe5 Ng4 19. Rhf1 O-O-O
I've run through it Nyxie, and I don't think that's how it will go. Why? Because we'd be a pawn up at the end of it (well if we played 19 ...Nxe5 instead of O-O-O). I just don't think IM will allow that to happen. Especially considering when u search Chessbase for our current position with 12 ...Qa5+, out of 82 games, black has won only 10 times.
I think you're right that he'd pounce on the queen exchange cos he'd be creating a doubled pawn, which he definitely has a tendency to prefer.
I think its probably at move 17, that he'd go off your line. There's no way he's going to allow for 2 unprotected pawns, which our knight can immediately fork. I think he's got quite a few other things he could play there... rook to open e file, develop to try to open up the d file, change point of attack of g knight (which would also allow for pawn advance on king side), push a pawn to try to develop bishop on e file to a better position??
What are your reasons behind castling queen side? Looking at it, we have a concentration of pieces on the king side of the board, and a stronger pawn formation, so I'd be for castling king side.
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