Few adds to Xanthos comments.
When one studies this endgame he/she goes through 4 steps:
1) most important - is to learn Filidor's position and all ways of winning with every Black's (just considering that Black has Rook) move. Of course it is important to recognize this position in mirror reflections and in every corner.
2) learning a 3-move trick of handing a move to Black if the position appeared with White's turn to move
3) methods of pushing Black's pieces to the board's edge. It should be noted that if Black defends its best, eventually Filidor's position will arise.
But of course you should be aware of rival's mistakes or "traps" and try to win quicker if u can - so be always try to look for an immediate win ( but don't fall in stalemate traps)
4) learning those few positions where Black can save ( to avoid them )/ or to create them if u are Black
Anyway, I would play these positions to the end with anybody who is under 2000 at RHP and below 2200 in OTB. These positions are known to be won for White widely, but still they are met not so often, so it's a good idea to check your rival's knowledge and technique (and improve your own)
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For all of those who offered some constructive input, many thanks. As a chess novice (ie. someone who plays a lot but does, and likely never will, consult any sort of aid, paper, electronic or otherwise), the question was put forth in a purely innocent fashion, with absolute no intent on trying to divine how I might win the game in which I currently find myself. To be perfectly frank, I'm still not quite sure just what the likely outcomes of these sorts of games are .... I guess I'll find out shortly for myself. For those who thought otherwise, shame on you. I hope some day I will have my chance to defend my honour on the chess board. Challenges welcome.
Historybites
Originally posted by historybitesIn almost all positions with perfect play the queen can force the king and rook to seperate or force the king into the corner. Either of those will result in a win.
For all of those who offered some constructive input, many thanks. As a chess novice (ie. someone who plays a lot but does, and likely never will, consult any sort of aid, paper, electronic or otherwise), the question was put forth in a purely innocent fashion, with absolute no intent on trying to divine how I might win the game in which I currently fin ...[text shortened]... will have my chance to defend my honour on the chess board. Challenges welcome.
Historybites
Originally posted by skeeterK + Q vs. K + R
What I'm saying is that [b]with correct play Rook v Queen endgames are considered drawn.
skeeter[/b]
White to move:
White wins 99.01%
Black wins 0.19%
Draw 0.80%
Black to move:
White wins 65.51%
Black wins 28.66%
Draw 5.83%
Below is the position giving rise to the longest shortest mate (35 moves).
Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDERI think the statistic where black to move wins might be because it was pre-calculated ie. black planned to skewer king and queen.
K + Q vs. K + R
[b]White to move:
White wins 99.01%
Black wins 0.19%
Draw 0.80%
Black to move:
White wins 65.51%
Black wins 28.66%
Draw 5.83%
Below is the position giving rise to the longest shortest mate (35 moves).
[fen]K3r3/8/5k2/Q7/8/8/8/8[/fen]
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Originally posted by historybitesClarifying my earlier post:
[b]For all of those who offered some constructive input, many thanks the question was put forth in a purely innocent fashion, with absolute no intent on trying to divine how I might win the game in which I currently find myself. To be perfectly frank, I'm still not quite sure just what the likely outcomes of these sorts of games are For those who thought otherwise, shame on you. I
Let me clarify:
I'm sure it wasn't what you intended to get(no shame on you), but you've actually got some advice on how you could try to draw!
This advice could affect your current game unconsciously. Therefore I'd say it would have been more reasonable/fair to create the thread after finishing your game.
Let me clarify(now that it's given away):
If the player with the queen doesn't play well enough(in this case probably a rating under 1600) the game will (LIKELY) result in a draw. If he/she does, the queen (LIKELY) wins.
You are welcome!
I consulted my 'Fundamental Chess Endings' book, and it says 'The Q always wins against a lone R unless their is an immediate draw such as pertetual check or stalemate.' It goes on to say how appearance of databases showed it was quite difficult to win some positions with precise play from the player with the R, and then on to explaining exactly how to the player with the Q should go about getting the win.
Originally posted by historybitesThis is pretty short-sighted. If you don't study the game, you can hardly ever expect to improve.
For all of those who offered some constructive input, many thanks. As a chess novice (ie. someone who plays a lot but does, and likely never will, consult any sort of aid, paper, electronic or otherwise)