Originally posted by greenpawn34Unclear?, unclear?, my trusty feer! how could that be so! I consider ...h5 to be a
[b] The Second Trap
You started off well Robbie but here you strayed of course.
Opening Traps are the cartoons of the Chess world.
The pie in the face, the bucket of water over the head, the banana skin.
You cannot show a trap and leave it with "...with a huge plus for white."
Who wants to see a huge plus?
I can see a huge plus when I lo xg7 12. Bh6+ Kg8 13. Rg6+ hxg6 {It does not matter how Black recaptures...} 14. Nf6[/pgn][/b]
desperado attempt to save the position! Saying that, I dont like the bad press that
traps get, they are an excellent way to learn to play chess ( i am on a crusade to
dispel the myth that Grandmasters play proper chess, they have held the chess
world to ransom for too long! We play coffee house chess, what good is their reams of analysis to us?
The sooner one realises this, the better) Anyhow, here is a line, that I consider a
refutation of ...h5. Does this trap have a name? I have played it twice myself with
success, and regardless of what 'deep and meaningful', stuff passes for 'proper
chess', it brought me great joy!
Hi Dale.
That is a line from the Two Knights Defence.
The Shilling is a true 'trap'. marked out by 3...Nd4
You risk getting a bad position by going for a quick Knock Out.
Hi Robbie
Another busted trap. Trap 3
That Caro Khan (Schuster v Carls. Bremen 1914) Here:
White does not play play 10.c3 but 10.Qd2.
It just like studying openings.
Look at the move they suggest and give it a few tugs and tries to see if
it stands your test. Don't blindly accept.
Same with a trap. You have to test it, juggle with it. jump on it.
Traps of the Chessboard by Znosko-Borosky is littered with bust traps
that ZB failed to to correct or point out.
Look at traps 5, 9 & 10 for those who have the book.
Then you read in the intro it was a re-hash of PitFalls of the Chessboard
so the errors have been copied.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNow, hold on, just hold on a minute, our dear Scottish friend - which do you want, mad, attacking opening traps, or the Colle? Back in 1925 you could have them both together, but not these days, me Caledonian matey. And certainly not on a correspondence site. Over the board doon't'pub, sure. But here, I rather think not. Time to make up your mind, methinks.
Normally in chess literature we are 'warned ', against learning traps, better to begin
at the endgame, it will yield the most benefit, as the game progresses, you will be
heading towards your area of strength etc etc 'Dont play traps, traps are bad!' It
struck me that nothing could be further from the truth, for a study of traps can yield
much good and what is more, they are fun!
Richard
Originally posted by Shallow BlueGreat and illustrious Shallow Blue, perhaps you misunderstand my intent on posting opening traps? I am not actually advocating playing them (unless of course conditions are favourable), merely looking at them to ascertain what the conditions were that led to the successful execution of such. Its these tactical and positional elements, weak squares, weak pawns, colour complexes, development with initiative etc which I am interested in, the traps themselves are only a means to an end.
Now, hold on, just hold on a minute, our dear Scottish friend - which do you want, mad, attacking opening traps, or the Colle? Back in 1925 you could have them both together, but not these days, me Caledonian matey. And certainly not on a correspondence site. Over the board doon't'pub, sure. But here, I rather think not. Time to make up your mind, methinks.
Richard
Also it appears to me not to matter where these are played, whether in the pub or in front of the pc, its the elements themselves which are of interest 🙂
Hi Rob.
Yup tried a trap on you (perhasp should not have added 'best?'😉 😉
But you have to show these things.
Still not too happy with the examples.
A trap, the one you describe as being sneered at, should be an unsound move
that if it fails puts the trapper in a bad way.
In Trap 4 White is doing nothing wrong, just making good moves.
It is Black who slips up. If Black does not take the Rook then White is OK.
Next you will be saying 1.d4 d5 2.c4 is an opening trap if Black takes the pawn
and tries to hang on to it.
The Estrin Trap v The Dragon.
Now there is a double-edged move. If Black spots it you have nothing.
Though I have won and drawn when the guys never took the e-pawn.
You have to deliberatly make a bad move setting trap and hope
your opponent turns you bad move into a good move.
It's gamble.
Lost count of the Blitz games I've had with this very line
and I have mated in 8 moves OTB in a serious game.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Lol, trapping the trapper with these best? remarks, how delightfully cunning Mr
Hi Rob.
Yup tried a trap on you (perhasp should not have added 'best?'😉 😉
But you have to show these things.
Still not too happy with the examples.
A trap, the one you describe as being sneered at, should be an unsound move
that if it fails puts the trapper in a bad way.
In Trap 4 White is doing nothing wrong, just making good moves.
It is ...[text shortened]... 6 mate has been seen a few times.} 9. Nxb5 Qa5+ 10. b4 {1-0 or disconection at blitz.}[/pgn]
Greenpawn! Got any more Sicilian beauties, i liked the last one 🙂
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat are the consequences to 13...Qxa1? tia (refers to post made at 10:24 on 2-18-11)
Ok, this is a beautiful trap. It seems to me that the more closely a trap/zap follows
the main theoretical line, the more delicious it becomes!
[pgn][Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] [PlyCount "25"] 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 {The beginning of the Winnawer i believe, black immediately ...[text shortened]... a1 {A fatal mistake.} 12. c3 Ne7 13. Nb3 {a beautifully conceived trap!} *[/pgn]