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14 ...c5 and then 15 dxc6

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I don't like 15.dxc6. THe d-pawn is very annoying to black. I would stick to my previous option 15.Qg3, for instance QxQ 16.hxQ Kd8 (otoget out of the pin) 17.Nc3 and both sides have a game.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
14. ... c5 looks the best.
I agree. This thing continues to follow my line from several days ago, despite ample evidence that there may have been some better moves for White??

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
I don't like 15.dxc6. THe d-pawn is very annoying to black. I would stick to my previous option 15.Qg3, for instance QxQ 16.hxQ Kd8 (otoget out of the pin) 17.Nc3 and both sides have a game.
I'm not sure that I like dxc either.

However; I continue to hate Qg3.

Qg3? O-O and it appears to me that Black has solved all of his problems.

Am I missing something Mephisto?

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
I don't like 15.dxc6. THe d-pawn is very annoying to black. I would stick to my previous option 15.Qg3, for instance QxQ 16.hxQ Kd8 (otoget out of the pin) 17.Nc3 and both sides have a game.
Capablanca's Rule

Qg3?? QxQ
hxQ Bf5

appears to lead to the forced loss of material.

I can't endorse Qg3.

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Originally posted by Red Night
Capablanca's Rule

Qg3?? QxQ
hxQ Bf5

appears to lead to the forced loss of material.

I can't endorse Qg3.
Forced loss of material, yes, but not on white's side:

Qg3 Qxq
hxQ Bf5?? (Kd8 better)
d6!

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Originally posted by BLReid
14 ...c5 and then 15 dxc6
Reponses to ...c5

1. Be3 O-O. Looks bad for White. It doesn't win a pawn because of Bf6.

2. cxd and Black can't retake with the Knight because of Qxg7

...bxc looks forced and now white's Bishop is pinned.

3. Na3 threatening Nb5.

4. Qe3 If white liked this move, he should have played it last time. It shows that White is in trouble that this may be the best move left.

I'm starting to like Na3, but white is in trouble and I would bet that he plays dxc.

It looks to me like Black will win!

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Originally posted by Red Night
I'm not sure that I like dxc either.

However; I continue to hate Qg3.

Qg3? O-O and it appears to me that Black has solved all of his problems.

Am I missing something Mephisto?
The point is that white too has solved some of his problems. After 14.Qc3, white has no advantage at all. If anything, a small disadvantage.

I still prefer 15.Qg3 by white (over dxc e.p) as well as 15. ... QxQ by black over 0-0.

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What about Nf5?

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Originally posted by ETR
What about Nf5?
Nevermind, too easily refuted by g4.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Forced loss of material, yes, but not on white's side:

Qg3 Qxq
hxQ Bf5?? (Kd8 better)
d6!
Good point!

I still like O-O in response to Qg3?

But here's another line:

...Kf8
Nc3 Bg4+
f3 Bf5
Rc1 g5
Be2 Bd7
b3 Bb4

Instead of Bd7, black could play Rd8 first.

In any event it is getting awfully cramped for white.

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Originally posted by Red Night
Good point!

I still like O-O in response to Qg3?

But here's another line:

...Kf8
Nc3 Bg4+
f3 Bf5
Rc1 g5
Be2 Bd7
b3 Bb4

Instead of Bd7, black could play Rd8 first.

In any event it is getting awfully cramped for white.
Ignore the part of the above after Bd7 and have black play Rd8.

I was doing it in my head as I was driving back from lunch and it includes impossible moves. 🙄

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1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Qb3 Nc6
6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Bc4 Qe7+ 8. Kd1 Nf4 9. Re1 Ne6 10. d4 Qd6
11. d5 Be7 12. Bd2 Scd4 13. Nxd4 Nxd4 14. Qc3 Qf6

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How about Qg3 now with the threats of Bg5 of Bc3, attempting o seize the initiative?

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15.Rxe7+!

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