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Black should take with the King because the position is still complicated and there's a chance that White might go wrong. Taking with the Queen would give White a clear-cut winning positon and Black might as well resign.

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Originally posted by David Tebb
Black should take with the King because the position is still complicated and there's a chance that White might go wrong. Taking with the Queen would give White a clear-cut winning positon and Black might as well resign.
Interesting. Well, I'm not going to be foolish enough to argue with mr. Tebb, but the best I see is:

... Kxe7
Qe3+ Kd7
Bc3 Nf5
Bb5+ c3
dxc bxc
Qd3+ Nd4
Bxd4

And the Knight is lost anyway

Does anybody see anything better?

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Originally posted by Red Night
Interesting. Well, I'm not going to be foolish enough to argue with mr. Tebb, but the best I see is:

... Kxe7
Qe3+ Kd7
Bc3 Nf5
Bb5+ c3
dxc bxc
Qd3+ Nd4
Bxd4

And the Knight is lost anyway

Does anybody see anything better?
Your line is a good example of what Dave said: the position is complicated and white might go wrong:

15. ... Kxe7
16.Qe3+ Kd7
17.Bc3 Nf5 ( ... c5 is another chapter)
18.Bb5 c6
19.dxc6+ ?? bxc6
20.Qd3+ Qd6 and the position is unclear, if not better for black

White should play 19.Qd3 instead of 19.dxc6+, leaving black's queen en prise while holding the initiative.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Your line is a good example of what Dave said: the position is complicated and white might go wrong:

15. ... Kxe7
16.Qe3+ Kd7
17.Bc3 Nf5 ( ... c5 is another chapter)
18.Bb5 c6
19.dxc6+ ?? bxc6
20.Qd3+ Qd6 and the position is unclear, if not better for black

White should play 19.Qd3 instead of 19.dxc6+, leaving black's queen en prise while holding the initiative.
Good Point!

...c5
dxc e.p+

Appears to lose the Knight

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1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Qb3 Nc6
6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Bc4 Qe7+ 8. Kd1 Nf4 9. Re1 Ne6 10. d4 Qd6
11. d5 Be7 12. Bd2 Scd4 13. Nxd4 Nxd4 14. Qc3 Qf6 15. Rxe7 Kxe7

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16.Qe3+ is the logical follow up of 15.Rxe7+.

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Originally posted by 7ate9
i kind of like Qg3.

the bishops come alive, the black queen is in danger from Bg5, the white queen has two good pawns covered C7 & G7. also the Bb4+ now becomes available. the white queen also gives the weak F2 pawn some cover.

Qg3 opens white's game right up, but if there is a definite winning game with Qe3, then I'd definitely pick that one.
I kind of like Qg3 too for the reasons you mentioned. Also frees up the c3 square to develop white's knight.

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Originally posted by 7ate9
i kind of like Qg3.

the bishops come alive, the black queen is in danger from Bg5, the white queen has two good pawns covered C7 & G7. also the Bb4+ now becomes available. the white queen also gives the weak F2 pawn some cover.

Qg3 opens white's game right up, but if there is a definite winning game with Qe3, then I'd definitely pick that one.
Qg3 allows Kf8

Qe3+ is the right move

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Originally posted by 7ate9
Bb4+ .. K ?
Q*c7

how would you reply to that?
I presume you mean

Qg3 Kf8
Bb4+ Kg8
Qxc7?...

... Bg4+!

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Originally posted by 7ate9
Bg4?? .. f3

lol, lets have a game.. i'll kick your butt!

maybe not, it'll wreck the game and spam the thread. would be fun though.
...Nxf3

Qxc7 was a major error.

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1. c4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Qb3 Nc6
6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Bc4 Qe7+ 8. Kd1 Nf4 9. Re1 Ne6 10. d4 Qd6
11. d5 Be7 12. Bd2 Scd4 13. Nxd4 Nxd4 14. Qc3 Qf6 15. Rxe7 Kxe7
16. Qe3+

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