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PAWN RIOT VS The Forum Move 19

PAWN RIOT VS The Forum Move 19

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Of all moves that can be made, why not check the white king first? Sure, we will play moves like Nh7 or Ne8 anyway, but delivering check forces the opposition to respond.

Afterwards we can continue with any plans, but I think there are no merits in holding back the check, I mean we're gonna play the check later anyway right? So why not now...

(19...Rb8+ as voted previously)

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Originally posted by fianchettochess
Of all moves that can be made, why not check the white king first?
Because it actually helps White in his developments.

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Originally posted by heinzkat
Because it actually helps White in his developments.
sorry how does this help white? do we not also develop and increase the mobility of a piece while gaining time albeit temporarily. do not rooks belong on open files? does the move not facilitate a retreat of the knight? what does white get that is so advantageous? is it because he can challenge the open file, or his king moves to safety?

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...Rb8+ Ka1 (Kc1 maybe?) ...Ne8 Rb1 ...Rc8?
Trying to put pressure on the isolated c pawn?

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Yes, black's aim in the exchange sac is to tangle white up into a position that means he cannot utilise his material advantage.

This means the pressure on the C-pawn is a good idea, because it increases the amount of pins and pressure on weaknesses which mean that white has to struggle a lot to use his advantage in material. It is a tightrope for both sides.. we need to play expertly to pull this off - we don't even know who stands better yet. That's the fun - the best chess minds in the world debate this position

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19. ...Rb8+

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How are we playing if white is not interested in the b-file ?

Let say 19.... Rb8+ 20.Kc1 Ne8 21. f4!? (?!) and white is trying to open the f-file and also the games to use his Rooks ?

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I mean, Rb8+ looks like a pretty logical move.

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Originally posted by DagamoStyle
How are we playing if white is not interested in the b-file ?

Let say 19.... Rb8+ 20.Kc1 Ne8 21. f4!? (?!) and white is trying to open the f-file and also the games to use his Rooks ?
That line is bad for white. White is more tied up than he might at first look. f4? allows, in your line, Bg4. Threatening the rook, which has to move - but also threatening two moves.

If Rf1 Be2! winning c4 pawn

If Re1 Bf3! attacking rook and winning e4 pawn.

f4 may come up as a plan at some point for white, but it is not good now. Whites plan is right now solely to untangle and be able to utilise his extra material.

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Originally posted by mazattack
That line is bad for white. White is more tied up than he might at first look. f4? allows, in your line, Bg4. Threatening the rook, which has to move - but also threatening two moves.

If Rf1 Be2! winning c4 pawn

If Re1 Bf3! attacking rook and winning e4 pawn.

f4 may come up as a plan at some point for white, but it is not good now. Whites plan is right now solely to untangle and be able to utilise his extra material.
Thanks for answering. I agree.

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I think Rb8+ it is, then?

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Will give this a looking on over tomorrow.

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Rb8+ is the winner by far. I will submit it today.

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