08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by ChessJesterSo you want an aggressive white tactic.
It might be helpful for me to say that as black I enjoy playing the sicillian and the benoni... yet, as white I want something powerful and complex.
Please post! THANKS! 😀
Here's one. Let me caution you, this takes really good play.
It is called the "Fried Liver Attack."
The following position is obtained. There are of course other variants where white sacrifices a bit more for even better position. Although balck has material advantage, it is assessed as even due to white's positional adv. It puts pressure on black.
This is how to start it.
08 Mar 07
FOLLOW UP - FRIED LIVER ATTACK.
White then moves his queen out. Typically, black will move his king to protect the knight. Very pressured, bad position for black, but he is up.
This is correspondence, so black has more time to think. Still, it is very powerful. It is even more efficient in blitz and overtheboard. Requires really good play for white AND black
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by RamnedYou should post move order too....He should also know that he can't CHOOSE to play the Fried Liver, and he'll probably meet the Italian Game more often.
FOLLOW UP - FRIED LIVER ATTACK.
White then moves his queen out. Typically, black will move his king to protect the knight. Very pressured, bad position for black, but he is up.
[fen]r1bq1b1r/ppp3pp/2n1k3/3np3/2B5/5Q2/PPPP1PPP/RNB1K2R[/fen]
This is correspondence, so black has more time to think. Still, it is very powerful. It is even more efficient in blitz and overtheboard. Requires really good play for white AND black
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by Ramnedblack now knows to gambit a pawn off with this line instead:
FOLLOW UP - FRIED LIVER ATTACK.
White then moves his queen out. Typically, black will move his king to protect the knight. Very pressured, bad position for black, but he is up.
[fen]r1bq1b1r/ppp3pp/2n1k3/3np3/2B5/5Q2/PPPP1PPP/RNB1K2R[/fen]
This is correspondence, so black has more time to think. Still, it is very powerful. It is even more efficient in blitz and overtheboard. Requires really good play for white AND black
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5 Na5! (not Nxd5? which leads to a massive, and usually successful attack for white as you mentioned above)
6. Bb5+ c6!
7. dxc6 bxc6!
8. Ba4
and black gets a massive attack against white's slow development for measley pawn...
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by cmsMasterprecisely, and it is for this reason that I prefer playing black in tournament play...
You should post move order too....He should also know that he can't CHOOSE to play the Fried Liver, and he'll probably meet the Italian Game more often.
i hate it when I can't entirely control the line being played...
i'm considering switching over to the Queen's Pawn opening as to avoid such lines as the Giuoco Piano, Sicilian(most already know my feelings about this opening), and the French...
on the other hand, no matter where I go, there is no escape from the hypermodern systems after, say 1. ... g6 and Bg7...
anyone else besides me loathe the hypermoderns?
08 Mar 07
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Yes. It is not a forced opening. But it also isn't rare to have as an option. I have a set piece one in open invites, 1500+ can try to defend.
MOVE ORDER
Varies, but here's the most common one.
1. Pawn - e4. pawn - e5.
2. Knight f3. knight - c6.
3. Bishop - c4. knight - f6. * If this is not obtained, you cannot do it.
4. Knight - g5. pawn - d5.
5. Pawn takes d5. knight takes d5.
Move 6 can be: Pawn - d4. And then black probly take it. BUT
6. Knight takes f7. king to f7.
7. Queen - f3. king - e6.
And from there more aggressive pressure.
rubberjaw's line is a good way to prevent the fried liver. But the Fried Liver pretty much is a suprise attack.
08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by rubberjaw30Definitely the better plan for black. I looked it up and Be2 is much, much more popular than Ba4. Here's the line and FEN:
black now knows to gambit a pawn off with this line instead:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5 Na5! (not Nxd5? which leads to a massive, and usually successful attack for white as you mentioned above)
6. Bb5+ c6!
7. dxc6 bxc6!
8. Ba4
and black gets a massive attack against white's slow development for measley pawn...
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5
Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 h6 9. Nf3 e4 10. Ne5 Bd6 11. d4 exd3 12.
Nxd3 *
Black to move.
About an equal position, black gets development and initiative while white gets a pawn and a better pawn structure.
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by Ramnedok then, so what do you usually do after 3. ... Bc5?
Yes. It is not a forced opening. But it also isn't rare to have as an option. I have a set piece one in open invites, 1500+ can try to defend.
MOVE ORDER
Varies, but here's the most common one.
1. Pawn - e4. pawn - e5.
2. Knight f3. knight - c6.
3. Bishop - c4. knight - f6. * If this is not obtained, you cannot do it.
4. Knight - g5. pawn - d5.
5 ...[text shortened]... t takes f7. king to f7.
7. Queen - f3. king - e6.
And from there more aggressive pressure.
Marshall Attack is one i'd love to start learning...
it looks like a truck load of fun...
cmsmaster or korch, do either of you two play this one?
any games i can see?
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by RamnedWith notation don't write out the pieces like "Knight" and "Queen" - there are abbreviations for every piece.
Yes. It is not a forced opening. But it also isn't rare to have as an option. I have a set piece one in open invites, 1500+ can try to defend.
MOVE ORDER
Varies, but here's the most common one.
1. Pawn - e4. pawn - e5.
2. Knight f3. knight - c6.
3. Bishop - c4. knight - f6. * If this is not obtained, you cannot do it.
4. Knight - g5. pawn - d5.
5 ...[text shortened]... t takes f7. king to f7.
7. Queen - f3. king - e6.
And from there more aggressive pressure.
Knight:N
Bishop:B
Pawn:Nothing - just put the square it's moving to, if it's taking say where it's moving from to where.
Queen:Q
Rook:R
King:K
So, for example:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5
08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by cmsMasteryeah I know, thanks.
With notation don't write out the pieces like "Knight" and "Queen" - there are abbreviations for every piece.
Knight:N
Bishop:B
Pawn:Nothing - just put the square it's moving to, if it's taking say where it's moving from to where.
Queen:Q
Rook:R
King:K
So, for example:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5
--You're right cms/rubberjaw, it isn't a usual opportunity, but it does happen, even in higher level play.
Here is a game where I will try it. Game 3280996 Notice I could move Pd4. But I don't like it too much.
And here's a rated one where it actually can (and will) happen: Game 3239114 Both in Progress.
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by Ramnedon that note, let's change the discussion to the Italian Game besides the Giuoco Piano or the Giuoco Pianissimo
yeah I know, thanks.
--You're right cms/rubberjaw, it isn't a usual opportunity, but it does happen, even in higher level play.
let's say:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. c3 Nf6
5. d4 exd4
6. cxd4 Nxe4
7. d5
what happens?
i am to the understanding that this system has been studied extensively for AGES!
cmsmaster, do you play this as white, or encounter it as black often?
what do you think?
08 Mar 07
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Originally posted by ChessJesterMy #1 opening is the Bird (1.f4). I also play the English alot, 1.d4 sometimes, 1.e4 sometimes and very rarely the King's Indian Attack (1.Nf3). I also like the Nimzowich-Larsen Attack (1.b3). I also play the King's Gambit and Center Game too. 😀
Hello, I am wondering what openings you personally use as your #1 choice as white. Me, I do not have one quite yet. My opening repitoir (as white) has been recently expanded from 1.e4 (Ruy Lopez, Scotch gambit) to include 1.d4 (Queen Gambit, Colle System) and 1.c4 (english, although I have the least experience in this opening). I think that this gives me d the benoni... yet, as white I want something powerful and complex.
Please post! THANKS! 😀
08 Mar 07
lots of great info on this post. I like it 😉
I've turned into a 1.d4'er, but still experiment. There's no way to pick one "way" to be comfortable without playing around with openings as you gain experience. I used to be an e4'er but I found that I played a better (and earlier) threat to black with a d4 start.
QGA is always nice! (for white)
08 Mar 07
Originally posted by allosterylol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
lots of great info on this post. I like it 😉
I've turned into a 1.d4'er, but still experiment. There's no way to pick one "way" to be comfortable without playing around with openings as you gain experience. I used to be an e4'er but I found that I played a better (and earlier) threat to black with a d4 start.
QGA is always nice! (for white)
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...