Pet Openings (White)

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
i have to say, being a 1550 and just now coming to grips with the term space advantage is humorous...
but that's besides the point...
space advantage is not a huge advantage that should be celebrated...
look at the following line:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 0-0 (or d6, or e6, or some other move involving a pawn push on the queenside.. ...[text shortened]... e completely suffocated on these back files and resigned due to lack of any constructive move!

🙂 I have been playing only since July, so not familiar much with anything...Under any case, I haven't seen space advantage as an opening like that before. It usually occurs in the midgame, where it would be more useful, if used constructively.

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
i forget...
how does the exchange on c3 usually play out again?
i'm entirely unfamiliar with this line...
in your post about black's initiative but still playable for both sides...
does hat make it weak for white?
with the aid of modern computer analysis, has it been refuted yet?

Marshall Attack:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7
6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5





White to move.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Marshall Attack:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7
6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5



[fen]r1bq1rk1/2p1bppp/p1n2n2/1p1pp3/4P3/1BP2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQR1K1 w - d6 0 9[/fen]

White to move.

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huh?
oh darn...
i must've gotten the wrong opening name...
hold up...

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Marshall Attack:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7
6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5



[fen]r1bq1rk1/2p1bppp/p1n2n2/1p1pp3/4P3/1BP2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQR1K1 w - d6 0 9[/fen]

White to move.

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So, you see, black's attacking - but it's about equal for both sides - here's a common line...

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7
6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6
13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4

A couple of years ago an amateur chess player came up with the move 18...bxa4! here (18...f5 was previously the most popular) and a lot of people said this line was refuted for white - I'm not sure how it is now, but white can deviate earlier if he chooses.

In any case, there are approximately equal chances for both sides, but black is going to be attacking while white has to defend in exchange for a pawn. It's playable for both sides, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing it played at the top level.

Common Marshall Attack Position:





White to move.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
So, you see, black's attacking - but it's about equal for both sides - here's a common line...

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7
6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6
13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4

A couple of years ago an amateur chess player came up wi ...[text shortened]... n]r4rk1/5ppp/p1pb4/1p1n4/3P2b1/1BP1B1Pq/PP3P1P/RN1QR1K1 w - - 0 16[/fen]

White to move.

Recent GM games:

[Event "Tal Memorial"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.11.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Morozevich, Alexander(RUS)"]
[Black "GM Shirov, Alexei(ESP)"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C89"]
[WhiteElo "2747"]
[BlackElo "2720"]
[Annotator "Robot 1"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d5 9. d4 dxe4 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. dxe5 Qxd1 12. Bxd1 Nd7 13. Bc2 Nxe5 14. Bxe4
Rb8 15. Bf4 Bd6 16. Bxe5 Bxe5 17. Bxh7+ Kxh7 18. Rxe5 Rd8 19. Kf1 f6 20. Re3
Rd1+ 21. Re1 Rxe1+ 22. Kxe1 Bf5 23. Na3 Re8+ 24. Kd2 Rd8+ 25. Ke3 Re8+ 26. Kd2
Rd8+ {Draw 1/2-1/2} 1/2-1/2



[Event "Tal Memorial"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2006.11.10"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Shirov, Alexei"]
[Black "Aronian, Levon"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C89"]
[WhiteElo "2720"]
[BlackElo "2741"]
[Annotator "Xmas"]
[PlyCount "116"]
[EventDate "2006.11.06"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[EventCategory "20"]
[TimeControl "40/6000+30:20/3000+30:900+30"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15.
Re4 g5 16. Qf1 Qh5 17. Nd2 Bf5 18. f3 Nf6 19. a4 Nxe4 20. Nxe4 Qg6 21. Nxd6
Qxd6 22. Bxg5 Qg6 23. Qc1 Bd3 24. axb5 axb5 25. Rxa8 Rxa8 26. Kf2 Bc4 27. Bxc4
bxc4 28. g4 Re8 29. Bf4 Qd3 30. Kg3 Qe2 31. Qb1 Qe1+ 32. Qxe1 Rxe1 33. Bd6 Rg1+
34. Kf2 Rb1 35. Ba3 Kg7 36. Kg3 Kg6 37. h3 h5 38. Kh4 Rg1 39. Bc5 Rg2 40. Ba3
f6 41. gxh5+ Kf5 42. f4 Rg8 43. Bd6 Ke6 44. h6 Kxd6 45. Kh5 f5 46. h7 Rh8 47.
Kg6 Ke7 48. Kg7 Ke8 49. Kg6 Kf8 50. h4 Ke7 51. Kg7 Ke8 52. Kg6 Kf8 53. h5 Ke7
54. Kg7 Ke8 55. Kg6 Kf8 56. h6 Ke8 57. Kf6 Rxh7 58. Kg6 Rf7 (58... Rf7 59. h7
Rf8 60. Kg7 Rh8 $3 61. Kg6 ({if} 61. Kxh8 Kf7 {and White is in zugzwang} 62. d5
cxd5 63. b3 $22 cxb3) 61... Kf8 62. Kxf5 Rxh7 $19) 0-1



[Event "4th Marx György Mem"]
[Site "Paks HUN"]
[Date "2006.07.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Acs, P."]
[Black "Harikrishna, P."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C89"]
[WhiteElo "2520"]
[BlackElo "2682"]
[Annotator ",A"]
[PlyCount "90"]
[EventDate "2006.07.28"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "HUN"]
[EventCategory "15"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2006.07.31"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
(8. h3) (8. a4) 8... d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 (11... Nf6) 12.
d4 (12. Bxd5 cxd5) 12... Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 (15. Re4) 15... Bg4
16. Qd3 (16. f3 Bxg3) 16... f5 (16... Bf3 17. Qf1 Qh5 18. Nd2) 17. f4 Kh8 18.
Bxd5 cxd5 19. Nd2 Qh5 20. Qf1 Rae8 21. Qg2 Re4 ({RR} 21... g5 22. Qxd5 Bb8 23.
fxg5 f4 24. Bxf4 Rxf4 25. gxf4 Bxf4 26. Rxe8+ Qxe8 27. Qe4 Be3+ 28. Kg2 Bh3+
29. Kh1 Qxe4+ 30. Nxe4 Bf5 31. Ng3 Be6 32. h4 b4 33. Re1 Bd5+ 34. Kh2 Bd2 35.
Re8+ Kg7 36. cxb4 Bxa2 37. Rb8 Bc1 38. b5 a5 39. b6 Bxb2 40. b7 Bxd4 41. Nf5+ {
1-0 Mietner,F-Lasarsch,R/Duisburg 2004/EXT 2006 (41)}) 22. Nxe4 fxe4 23. h4 h6
24. Qh2 $146 ({RR} 24. Rf1 Bf3 ({RR} 24... Rf6 25. a4 Rg6 26. axb5 axb5 27. f5
Bxf5 28. Bf4 Be7 29. Be5 Bxh4 30. Ra7 Bxg3 31. Bxg3 e3 32. Re7 Be4 33. Re8+ Kh7
34. Rxe4 dxe4 35. Qxe4 Qh3 36. Rf3 e2 37. Qb1 h5 38. Kf2 h4 39. Be5 Qg2+ 40.
Ke3 {1-0 Anand,V-Topalov,V/Las Palmas 1993/CBM 036/[Wedberg] (40)}) 25. Qh3 Qg6
26. Kf2 Bg4 27. Qh2 Qh5 28. Ke1 Qf5 29. a4 b4 30. cxb4 Bxb4+ 31. Kf2 Qh5 32.
Kg1 Rf6 33. Rac1 Be2 34. Rf2 Bf3 35. Qh3 Bg4 36. Qf1 Bf3 37. Qh3 Bg4 38. Qf1
Bf3 {Howell,J-Cooper,L/Hastings 1995/CBM 048 ext/1-0 (60)}) 24... Rf6 25. a4
Rg6 26. axb5 axb5 27. Kf1 Bd7 28. Qe2 Qf5 29. Qg2 b4 30. Ke2 Be7 31. Qf2 Bb5+
32. Kd2 Bd3 33. g4 (33. Ra8+ Kh7 34. Rea1 Qh3) 33... Rxg4 34. Rg1 bxc3+ 35.
bxc3 Bxh4 36. Qh2 Rxg1 37. Rxg1 Bf6 38. Qg3 Qc8 39. f5 Qb7 40. Bxh6 Qb2+ 41.
Ke3 Qe2+ 42. Kf4 Qd2+ 43. Qe3 (43. Kg4 Qxh6) 43... Qh2+ 44. Qg3 Qxh6+ 45. Kg4
Be2+ 0-1


[Event "Tal Memorial"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2006.11.09"]
[Round "3"]
[White "GM Shirov, Alexei(ESP)"]
[Black "GM Leko, Peter(HUN)"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C89"]
[WhiteElo "2720"]
[BlackElo "2741"]
[Annotator "MagicLieske"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15.
Re4 g5 16. Qf1 Qh5 17. Nd2 Bf5 18. f3 Nf6 19. a4 Nxe4 20. Nxe4 Qg6 21. Nxd6
Qxd6 22. Bxg5 Rfe8 23. Re1 Qg6 24. Be7 Ra7 25. Bc5 Raa8 26. Be7 Ra7 27. Bc5 {
Draw 1/2-1/2} 1/2-1/2

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
lol
wow
sorry guys...
this whole time I meant the Moeller Variation
my mistake

That's definitely different - not sure about it, I'll look it up later, but I've got to shower and do some homework right now.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
That's definitely different - not sure about it, I'll look it up later, but I've got to shower and do some homework right now.

what grade are you in - I'm in HS.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
That's definitely different - not sure about it, I'll look it up later, but I've got to shower and do some homework right now.

thanks, again
sorry for the mess up
u did a lot of typing on all that Ruy Lopez...

Originally posted by Ramned
what grade are you in - I'm in HS.

me too
and i'm pretty sure CMS is too
i'm a sophomore with senioritus
😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
thanks, again
sorry for the mess up
u did a lot of typing on all that Ruy Lopez...

The PGN's are all cut and paste, the variations I played out on Fritz, then just copied the PGN so I didn't have to type it all.

Originally posted by Ramned
what grade are you in - I'm in HS.

Junior - HS.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
The PGN's are all cut and paste, the variations I played out on Fritz, then just copied the PGN so I didn't have to type it all.

oh...
i wish I had a Fritz...
...
...
😞

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
oh...
i wish I had a Fritz...
...
...
😞

It speeds stuff like that up, otherwise typing out those 18-20 move Marshall Attack lines would take forever.

Looking at those games I posted it seems white has now switched from playing 15.Be3 to 15.Re4.