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Pretty good d4 opening: Colle

Pretty good d4 opening: Colle

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What's the opinion on it? I don't play d4 but it seems a tempting response to Nimzo.

d4 Nf6
Nf3 d5
e3 c5
Nbd2 Nbd7
c3 e6
Bd3

It wouldn't be too good of a suprise weapon in OTB though I doubt.

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Originally posted by Ramned
What's the opinion on it? I don't play d4 but it seems a tempting response to Nimzo.

d4 Nf6
Nf3 d5
e3 c5
Nbd2 Nbd7
c3 e6
Bd3

It wouldn't be too good of a suprise weapon in OTB though I doubt.
its cool how an opening with a slow buildup can bring nice sacs on the kingside attacks (once the central tension is released)
try it! 🙂

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Originally posted by Ramned
What's the opinion on it? I don't play d4 but it seems a tempting response to Nimzo.

d4 Nf6
Nf3 d5
e3 c5
Nbd2 Nbd7
c3 e6
Bd3

It wouldn't be too good of a suprise weapon in OTB though I doubt.
Unfortunately 3...Bf5 (instead of 3...c5) solves all black problems.

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Originally posted by Korch
Unfortunately 3...Bf5 (instead of 3...c5) solves all black problems.
Yes, if black knows in advance what white intends. Colle's game is more opportunistic than standard.

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the three truths about the colle ---
it is sound, it is conservative, it is dull.

so if you can handle 2 of the above 3 truths, then go for it.

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Originally posted by tonytiger41
the three truths about the colle ---
it is sound, it is conservative, it is dull.

so if you can handle 2 of the above 3 truths, then go for it.
I think these positional games are really interesting personally, just as much as gambit play.

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Originally posted by Korch
Unfortunately 3...Bf5 (instead of 3...c5) solves all black problems.
Agreed, it seems to be forgotten in some Colle texts.

Dealing with d4 deviations by John Cox gives nice lines against it that don't look so good for White.

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Agreed, it seems to be forgotten in some Colle texts.

Dealing with d4 deviations by John Cox gives nice lines against it that don't look so good for White.
Yeah I just learned from Korch that Bf5 does really do some good. it crushes that whole diagonal which is usually important in d4 systems.

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Originally posted by Ramned
Yeah I just learned from Korch that Bf5 does really do some good. it crushes that whole diagonal which is usually important in d4 systems.
Yeah the thing is after the usual moves White's best plan is usually to play c4 anyway, and you have a slightly inferior version of the Slav.

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Well thanks for info, fellas. I learned something new. I requested a Colle System tournament just to see it in practice anyways.

{Also requested:
Vienna Game
Grand Prix Attack
Bird Opening}

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Vienna could be fun 🙂

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Vienna could be fun 🙂
It's my best game as white so I'd definitly be up for that one. I like the GPA as well, both using and against it.

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Originally posted by Ramned
Yeah I just learned from Korch that Bf5 does really do some good. it crushes that whole diagonal which is usually important in d4 systems.
Actually its in most Queens gambit and Queens pawn opening setups - if Black managed to place their bishop f5 or exchange white squared bishops, then black must be OK.

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Yeah the thing is after the usual moves White's best plan is usually to play c4 anyway, and you have a slightly inferior version of the Slav.
their is no such thing as a weak slav. therefore this must not be slavic. slav=hammer. opponent=nail.

don't forget it.

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After 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 d5 3 e3 Bf5, White probably does best to transpose into a Queen's Gambit with 4 c4.

If instead of 4 c4, White plays the Colle-move 4 Bd3 anyway, Soltis recommends that Black SHOULD NOT capture the Bishop with 4...Bxd3 because of 5 cxd3!, strengthening White's center. Soltis recommends 4...e6 instead.

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