07 Apr 04
Originally posted by Jay PeateaJP, we should analyze your moves for a bit when the game is through... as I don't, ehrm... fully agree with you there... 😏
Things looking a bit dodgy for black, time to give up a piece to gain some play
9...Nd7 ( 10) exd7...Bxd7 11) Bxd7...Qxd7 12) Qe5+..Ne7 13) Qxh8..0-0-0 Possibly giving black some play down D column ?)
*14.Nd2*
Olav
07 Apr 04
Originally posted by LivingLegendOf course there are always holes in analysis I admit I didn't consider 14.Nd2 but pushing the pawn looks good to me and should probably cause white some problems (nice one Phlabibit)
JP, we should analyze your moves for a bit when the game is through... as I don't, ehrm... fully agree with you there... 😏
*14.Nd2*
Olav
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08 Apr 04
Originally posted by Jay PeateaThanx JPT.... I had to make the move fearing someone wouldn't see that gem...
Of course there are always holes in analysis I admit I didn't consider 14.Nd2 but pushing the pawn looks good to me and should probably cause white some problems (nice one Phlabibit)
😉
White to move!
Game 466287
08 Apr 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitI'm kind of thinking that lines SHOULD be included in the public games ... I couldn't help but notice that one flaw of these games is that there's no consistent planning. I had a plan for that early counter-counter gambit-acceptance, for example. But then someone else moved according to a different plan. Etc.
Here is where it stands.
Game 466287
White to move... Move 14.
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[b]Edit... rule 3) You can make up to three consecutive moves of your color at a time.
I don't think we should include lines in these Public games, as a newbie could come along and muss something up... or someone might find a better line.[/b]
Maybe there should be a three-thread structure on the next game? One threat for the moves, one thread for white discussion and planning, and one thread for black discussion and planning? With the players, of course, honor bound not to read the threads of the other side. Hmmm?
08 Apr 04
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Originally posted by paultopiaSounds like a good idea, but it will be difficult not too look at the other thread... lets see if it works, I'll open a thread for the black team p.s. no peeping white team
I'm kind of thinking that lines SHOULD be included in the public games ... I couldn't help but notice that one flaw of these games is that there's no consistent planning. I had a plan for that early counter-counter gambit-acceptance, ...[text shortened]... rse, honor bound not to read the threads of the other side. Hmmm?
09 Apr 04
Originally posted by Jay PeateaDoesn't work out, the queen is quite safe in the corner at that point because of Qxh7 if the bishop moves to g7. So instead of the queen moving after Nf5, the knight at g1 moves to e2 and everything is safe since white can keep a knight posted at c3. 🙂
after Nc3..Nf5 threatening to capture the queen with Bg7 then Qf6 or Qe5...Bg7 removing the knight on C3 with check leaving some possibilies ?
09 Apr 04
Originally posted by paultopiaPaul... I think you should start one! I will be in with a line. It is a great idea, as I have seen other "lines" in these games die.
I'm kind of thinking that lines SHOULD be included in the public games ... I couldn't help but notice that one flaw of these games is that there's no consistent planning. I had a plan for that early counter-counter gambit-acceptance, for example. But then someone else moved according to a different plan. Etc.
Maybe there should be a three-thread ...[text shortened]... ing? With the players, of course, honor bound not to read the threads of the other side. Hmmm?
There would be some need for people to debate a line... people vote on lines? I can't see someone coming in and giving crazy crap lines and forcing a game ahead 4 or 6 moves....
Some thought is needed, but it sounds like fun. I'm in.
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09 Apr 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitJay has created one for this game -- Phlabibit, your imput is needed! :-)
Paul... I think you should start one! I will be in with a line. It is a great idea, as I have seen other "lines" in these games die.
There would be some need for people to debate a line... people vote on lines? I can't see someone coming in and giving crazy crap lines and forcing a game ahead 4 or 6 moves....
Some thought is needed, but it sounds like fun. I'm in.
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And everyone on the Black Team, please don't make any move without a positive response from that thread, for the time being! :-)
09 Apr 04
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Originally posted by fifthThere's nothing wrong with Nd2, just because it looks like a very passive doesn't mean it's wrong...
14. Nd2?!, What a terrible blunder to make when white is up so much material! Nc3 was correct, as far as I can see.
Take a look at White's Queen on h8, it needed somewhere to go, as it was inactive and thus weak. 14.Nc3 would have prevented our Queen to go to c3, which is a good field for our Lady here.
Black would get time to reorganize after 14.Nc3 with 14..Nc6. Possibly, haven't given it much thought: 15.Bg5 Bg7 16.Qxg7 Qxg7 18.Bxd8 Nxd8, Black still has chances on a draw in this position, which it hasn't after 14.Nd2 e3 15.Qc3. (I won't analyze this position further as we can't discuss a game in progress! 😉)
Olav
09 Apr 04
Originally posted by LivingLegendYou are giving material up pointlessly and thus just giving black more chances for counterplay. e5 was the square for the white queen where she could really show her power in the middle of the board. The move Nd2 isn't passive, it's weak. Nc3 further controls the center and after Ng1-e2, the white queen can come to e5, dominating the board, so that black will want to exchange queens and give white a won endgame.
There's nothing wrong with Nd2, just because it looks like a very passive doesn't mean it's wrong...
Take a look at White's Queen on h8, it needed somewhere to go, as it was inactive and thus weak. 14.Nc3 would have prevented our Queen to go to c3, which is a good field for our Lady here.
Black would get time to reorganize after 14.Nc3 with 14 ...[text shortened]... c3. (I won't analyze this position further as we can't discuss a game in progress! 😉)
Olav
09 Apr 04
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Give me some lines, you're just talking about moves without knowing what you say... how can the Queen go to e5 when there's a Knight on c6?!? After 14.Nc3, Black is almost forced to play 14..Nc6, where do you want to take White's Queen then? 😕
You say that I'm giving material up pointlessly, well, Black would have to be very stupid to take the Knight. Because after. 15..exd2+ 16.Bxd2 Nd5 17.Qf3 White will be able to make safe his king and start an attack on the Black King.
Dinner now... 🙂
Olav
09 Apr 04
Originally posted by fifthExcept you would lose you queen after 14) Nc3 Nf6 15) Ne2 Bg7 16) Qxh7 Bxc3+ 17) Nxc3, Qxh7 😉
Doesn't work out, the queen is quite safe in the corner at that point because of Qxh7 if the bishop moves to g7. So instead of the queen moving after Nf5, the knight at g1 moves to e2 and everything is safe since white can keep a knight posted at c3. 🙂
(shouldn't have given that plan away earlier as 14) Nc3 seemed fairly natural to play)😀