14 Jan 05
Originally posted by LittleBear
More food for the mind, specially to the advocates of 9. Qxd2:
http://www.chessarch.com/excavations/000B_blac_stei/ca0024.shtml
http://www.chessarch.com/excavations/000B_blac_stei/ca0026.shtml
In the 4th game of the match, 9. ... a6! (2nd link) was considered an improvement over 9. ... Nf6.
But in my humble opinion, 11. ... b5 is, simple put, a blunder.
(This games were annotated by Blackburne and Steinitz)
Cheers
see also http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz62.pdf
Nice reading!
16 Jan 05
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Originally posted by Grayeyesofsorrowwith no tactical analysis ... i imediately want to look at g3.
[fen]r1bk2nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/1N6/5q2/8/PPPNBPPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 1 10[/fen]
Game 845365
Ok the Fritzy monster has played 9.. Qf4
fritz has only found a temporary home for the queen ... our knights take too long to hit her there ... it is a dark square - so our bishop does nothing, our rooks are stilll a little way off ... lets hit her before her troops come to the rescue ... hopefully she will have trouble finding another haven ... and she bounces as we advance and open.
p.s. fritz thinks it is making a mating attack!!!!! its queen is attacking two squares that are adjacent to our king! it is very stupid ... with its queen out in the open it still spends all its time analysing stupid sequences of queen moves ... plus with a pathetic forcing move that it will always analyse along with any other move: Qxh2+ it increases its computational overhead (and we easily know they are ALL useless sacs)... fritz does little analysis of the advancing moves of its neglected pieces that are the crucial moves in its position.
or ... even better ... can we make a preparation move before g3 that forces fritz to make a completely pointless move .. while keeping its queen in this favourable relationship with our king?
g3 will leave holes on the white squares, f3 and h3, but our bishop can cover them ... other than those holes we are just coming out and closing down the queen's good squares while still leaving her with lots of stupid squares to waste time calculating.
16 Jan 05
Both g3 and a4 have been played 3 times.
g3 obviously attacks the queen forcing it to move, most likely to h6. After that we can look at developing to the centre with Nc4 or c4.
a4 defends the b5 knight . If black plays a6 threatening it then g3 forces the queen to move. If black plays the slightly odd looking Nh6 (twice played) then 11. Ra3 Re8 and then g3.
16 Jan 05
Originally posted by flexmoreSeeing as we're going with no tactical analysis here 😉,
with no tactical analysis ... i imediately want to look at g3.
I would be disinclined to play g3. The King is stuck in the middle, so I'm guessing that Fritz wouldn't mind a king side pawn rush with g and h pawns. I've got my fingers burned a few times playing the g3 type move.
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16 Jan 05
Originally posted by RagnorakMy thoughts precisely. We can always play it later to move Fritzy's queen if we feel inclined to risk the kingside pawn storm but there seems no reason to go for g3 now. Not sure what my suggestion is yet but I think we need to look for a developing move.
Seeing as we're going with no tactical analysis here 😉,
I would be disinclined to play g3. The King is stuck in the middle, so I'm guessing that Fritz wouldn't mind a king side pawn rush with g and h pawns. I've got my fingers burned a few times playing the g3 type move.
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16 Jan 05
g3 is the book move. It's again a forcing move where Fritz has to respond to us and find a good square for the Queen and I don't see one. The line been analyzed by far better players than us and their consensus is that the g3 line gives us good compensation for the pawn. Any other move allows Black to start developing with Nf6. I say: g3.
16 Jan 05
Originally posted by SiskinRe1 is totally decent. I find it hard to believe that we will not need to make that move to the e-file at some point.
c4 looks reasonable
or perhaps Re1
If we are going to advance a pawn then I agree that c4 is better than a4.
Can I suggest Bf3 for discussion as well though. It threatens to take the knight and double blacks pawns up as well as giving us the a8-h1 diagonal in preparation for a future g3 to pressure the queen. I think if we play Bf3 then Fritz will really have to move the knight which is good for us as the machine is not yet developed.
Although we could still play Bf3 later after Re1. I look forward to all your thoughts.
16 Jan 05
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Originally posted by Corsairim not sure about Bf3 - i think id welcome the doubled pawns caused by exchanging the knight because of the open b-file and an extra flank pawn.
Re1 is totally decent. I find it hard to believe that we will not need to make that move to the e-file at some point.
If we are going to advance a pawn then I agree that c4 is better than a4.
Can I suggest Bf3 for discussion as well ...[text shortened]... ll play Bf3 later after Re1. I look forward to all your thoughts.
g3 does stop fritz developing, bt i cant see anything it does for our position either. although no1 is right, the book move is theoretically better, i dont think that we shd play something just for that reason - this is rhp vs fritz not Assorted Grandmasters (tm)
i think Re1 is good, or developing the knight if theres a gd way
16 Jan 05
Originally posted by OuermyhteGrandmasters aren't Grandmaster cause they buy a mail order certificate; they're GM because they consistently play and understand chess at a high level. g3 is part of a line that has caused 4 ...... Qh5 to be virtually extinct for 100 years; to vary from it at this early stage for no compelling reason seems folly to me. g3 is forcing; makes Fritz decide where to place his Queen; if he goes to h6, Nc4 appears pretty strong. If people want to "wing it" against Fritz, be my guest.
im not sure about Bf3 - i think id welcome the doubled pawns caused by exchanging the knight because of the open b-file and an extra flank pawn.
g3 does stop fritz developing, bt i cant see anything it does for our position either. although no1 is right, the book move is theoretically better, i dont think that we shd play something just for that reason - ...[text shortened]... not Assorted Grandmasters (tm)
i think Re1 is good, or developing the knight if theres a gd way