08 Feb 05
Originally posted by RBHILLSo what moves did you study? How deep did you go?
You can study a move by looking at the moves one time and have the move pattern next to you when you play.lol
And by the way just because I said I just studied the Dragon doesn't mean that I am done studing it. LOL
09 Feb 05
Originally posted by VovochkaEven if Grandmasters don't play it, there's nothing to stop the likes of us playing it. It is a fine choice for 99% of chess players.
In fact u can see that this line is almost never is used by Grandmasters.
And anyways plenty of GMs play it. Look for an English GM called Chris Ward. It is a favourite of his and he's known for being well up to date with the theory.
Cheers,
John.
09 Feb 05
Originally posted by RBHILLFYI
You can study a move by looking at the moves one time and have the move pattern next to you when you play.lol
And by the way just because I said I just studied the Dragon doesn't mean that I am done studing it. LOL
http://www.chessmail.com/theory/dragon/chinesedragon.htm
10 Feb 05
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Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardSure he was... I like these games specially
Eduard Gufeld: Also a Grand Master and a renowned opening theoretician also played the dragon. I think he knew what he was doing being one of the most knowlegable person on earth when it comes to openings.
[Event "URS Army-chT"]
[Site "Leningrad"]
[Date "1971.08.16"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Vasiukov,Evgeni"]
[Black "Gufeld,Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B76"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 0-0
9.g4 Nxd4 10.Bxd4 e5 11.Be3 Be6 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.a3 Rfc8 14.g5 Nh5 15.Nd5 Qd8 16.Kb1 Bxd5
17.Qxd5 Nf4 18.Qxd6 Qxg5 19.Bh3 Rd8 20.Qc7 Qf6 21.Bd7 Ng2 22.Bc1 Qxf3 23.Rhf1 Qh5 24.Bg4 Rxd1
25.Qxf7+ Kh8 26.Bxh5 Rf8 1-0
[Event "URS-ch sf"]
[Site "Kirovabad"]
[Date "1973.??.??"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Kupreichik,Viktor D"]
[Black "Gufeld,Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B79"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Bc4 Nc6
9.Qd2 Qa5 10.Bb3 Bd7 11.0-0-0 Rfc8 12.g4 Ne5 13.Qe2 Rxc3 14.bxc3 Qxc3 15.g5 Ne8 16.Kb1 b5
17.Bc1 Rc8 18.Bb2 Qc5 19.h4 a5 20.h5 a4 21.hxg6 hxg6 22.Bd5 e6 23.f4 exd5 24.fxe5 dxe5
25.Nf5 gxf5 26.Rxd5 Qe7 27.Qh2 a3 28.Rxe5 Be6 29.Qh7+ Kf8 30.Qxg7+ Kxg7 31.Rxe6+ axb2 32.Rxe7 fxe4
33.g6 Kxg6 34.Rh8 Nd6 35.Rxc8 Nxc8 36.Rc7 Nb6 37.Rc6+ Kg5 38.Rxb6 e3 39.Rxb5+ Kf4 40.Rb7 f5
41.Kxb2 Kf3 42.Kc3 e2 43.Kd2 1-0
[Event "Kuala Lumpur"]
[Site "Kuala Lumpur"]
[Date "1994.03.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Xie Jun"]
[Black "Gufeld,Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B76"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6
9.0-0-0 d5 10.Qe1 e5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.exd5 Nxd5 13.Bc4 Be6 14.Ne4 Qc7 15.Bc5 Rfd8 16.g4 Nf4
17.Qc3 Rd5 18.Kb1 Rad8 19.Bxd5 cxd5 20.Be3 Qe7 21.Qc5 Qb7 22.Qa3 Qc6 23.Qc3 Qa8 24.Bxf4 Rc8
25.Qa5 exf4 26.Ng5 Qb8 27.c3 Bxc3 28.Qa3 Bf6 29.Nxe6 fxe6 30.Rc1 Re8 31.Rc6 Qe5 32.Rhc1 Re7
33.Qb4 Kf7 34.a3 a5 35.Qb5 a4 36.Rc8 Qe3 37.R1c7 1-0
10 Feb 05
And anyways plenty of GMs play it. Look for an English GM called Chris Ward. It is a favourite of his and he's known for being well up to date with the theory.
perhaps u didn't see the video yet... This english GM called chris ward has the black pieces in the video and watch what happens to him !!!
here's the link for all ya chess fans....
http://www.chessclub.com/chessfm/videos/
HAS THE DRAGON BEEN SLAIN?
10 Feb 05
Originally posted by AlopintoI did not even play through those games but im like 100% sure he did not lose them in the opening. I sure hope you can find more then 3 losses.
Sure he was... I like these games specially
[Event "URS Army-chT"]
[Site "Leningrad"]
[Date "1971.08.16"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Vasiukov,Evgeni"]
[Black "Gufeld,Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B76"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 0-0
9.g4 Nxd4 10.Bxd4 e5 11.Be3 Be6 12.0-0-0 Qa5 13.a3 Rfc8 1 ...[text shortened]... e6 30.Rc1 Re8 31.Rc6 Qe5 32.Rhc1 Re7
33.Qb4 Kf7 34.a3 a5 35.Qb5 a4 36.Rc8 Qe3 37.R1c7 1-0
Anyway anyone who qeastions the soundness of the dragon can send me over a chalenge and we'll see how long you last.
10 Feb 05
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardI also like Gufeld a lot.
Eduard Gufeld: Also a Grand Master and a renowned opening theoretician also played the dragon. I think he knew what he was doing being one of the most knowlegable person on earth when it comes to openings.
His favourite opening always was King's Indian and many called the bishop on g7 as "Gufeld's bishop". So it's not miracle that in Sicilian he also fiancoetted the bishop and played the Dragon.
But I will quote Gufeld himself for u. He compared the development of openings theory to continuous arming rush: White looks for new attacking opportunities and Black looks for best defences ( or counter-attack).
After each novelty introduced players look for new receipts ( either for Black or for White ).
Now, Gufeld said that lately ( well, it was abt 1980's ) - Black have some problems with finding right defensive strategies and statistically White succeed more often than in other openings.
After reading Karpov's ( more late ) comments on this opening, I made my conclusions, which I don't expect to be accepted by everyone. I think that like King's gambit and some other openings it is too forcing and the side that chooses to force usually doesn't get advantage ( while Black even have chances to lose ) - and it is a logocal statement - otherwise chess games already would be clear as always win for White or always draw for Black.
Anyway, I definitely don't say that Dragon is incorrect opening (the fact is that there are some openings that were recognized as incorrect - like Janish gambit in Ruy Lopez)