[b]Mod hack job alert!!!
In the next 5 minutes, at the request of the clan leader, all posts that refer to the clan as having a member who is cheating (even those defending said clan or only quoted the accusations or what would be the point) are going to be removed.This action is being taken because even the unproven insinuation that 1 member of a clan is cheating will damage the whole clans reputation.
This'll likely make most of the thread unreadable. Sorry about that.
In the meantime, much of what remains is degrading into petty name calling. Please keep it civil.
Jon
Originally posted by TRACKHEAD21You keep accusing Ravello of not being able to understand English and yet you seem to have completely missed the point of my post. Out of bitterness or arrogance I doubt you'll bother to re-read the post and put forth any effort to see past your own ideas, so I won't bother asking you to read it again. You need to take responsibility for your actions, TRACK. You are yet to do any good here at all. This is not a entire clan attacking you, this is not even a clan trying to defend itself blindly. This is a clan trying to get you to either admit you have no proof that you can show us or show us SOMETHING that can back up your accusations. If you can somehow prove to us that you are right than I personally (and maybe a few others in my clan as well) will be glad to thank you for bringing to our attention that someone in our ranks is a cheater. It is obvious that I don't agree with your decision to even start this thread but now all I ask is for you to try to make it worth while and get some good done. That is all.
Im not the only person who said this and from Boris' outbursts it is shown that this is the only reason you guys have been posting. The fact that every post from one of you contains the metallica shows that. The only person who didnt post for that reason is feivel who was talking about a completely different player. Your post in itself shows this een moreso that non of you would be posting if not for that.
-Kev
Hello Trackhead
In view of my rather long username being one of the names on your list, I feel that entitles me to make a few comments regarding you.
1. At the present moment in time there seems to be some confusion as to who exactly is playing your games of chess, you, your girlfriend, or a chess engine, (yes i read the posts in the uChess forum).
2. I have to question the motives of someone who posts on RHP that they are going to reveal the names of all the people who run chess engines on RHP, and then fails to do so, instead choosing to name only a few who in your opinion are using chess engines. In view of your post as a whole, the reason given for not naming the 9 out of the top 40 was quite frankly pathetic. My best guess is that you bottled it, and decided to pick on some little guys who you thought wouldnt fight back, cowardly in the extreme. Then you added my name at the end, probably after getting a PM from your "friend" Duhian.
3. Who appointed YOU as judge and jury, in view of point 1 (see above) I dont think your in any posistion to comment on cheating at RHP, or uChess for that matter.
4. In your post, (now sadly deleted) you put yourself up as a bit of a chess engine specialist, claim to have a lot of knowledge on the subject. And yet in another post of yours you make this comment - "I have friends on here who are lower rated players, and its not fair to them to have to play some guy using Deep Junior or Deep Blue", well please correct me if im wrong, but Deep Blue is/was an IBM mainframe, no chance of meeting it on RHP, unless they have converted it to a basic chess engine and made it available for the public to buy.
5. I fully support the introduction of any software that is designed to spot people using chess engines, on 2 conditions,
1. Its applied to everybody, and yes Trackhead that does include the top 40, and YOU.
2. The software is checked (to make shure it does what it says on the tin, lol) and that Trackhead has nothing to do with its implementation or how it is applied.
Sorry for ranting, but i feel i was entitled to that little rant.
forevergreen.
I find it difficult to believe that the person writing the Trackhead posts and the Chess Trackhead can be the same intellect, your arguments are incoherent at best, and spattered with inconsistency.
1. Why are you accusing anyone when the only person proven of rule breaking is you (By your own admission).
2. You were happy to name lower players you suspected but not higher ones. Surely the logic would be that the higher players would be cheating all the time and these would have priority on the naming and shaming.
Do the right thing.... prove the cheaters (if there are any) to the site admin or.....
SHUT UP
Ps Is there any point in playing Trackhead anymore, if you win it will be his girlfriend or grandfather, if you loss it will be him or something else.
Pss I'm not in the Metallica Clan - hell I'm a blur fan - it just wouldn't work
Originally posted by belgianfreakJon,
[b]Mod hack job alert!!!
In the next 5 minutes, at the request of the clan leader, all posts that refer to the clan as having a member who is cheating (even those defending said clan or only quoted the accusations or what would be the point) are going to be removed.This action is being taken because even the unproven insinuation that 1 member ...[text shortened]... antime, much of what remains is degrading into petty name calling. Please keep it civil.
Jon
No need to be sorry about that - Good job
Thanks
Boris
PS: Just in case anyone is wondering, it was me who alerted the post for the reasons stated by Jon
... and the memory remains !!!
Originally posted by LivingLegendsorry about that that should have been deleted was the wrong clan both started with D's and like I said on some post im using a tv as monitor right now.
That is a lie. I don't know why you said that but I've never spoken a single word to you.
Maybe you are right about a few persons you seemed to have mentioned, but who cares? You can't prove anything and the only thing you reach is that half of the community here now doesn't like you. Your story about your friend and your month of OTB chess is p ...[text shortened]... y strange as well, so just stop it.
Olav
EDIT: Hm... saw your post later on thread. Sorry.
Originally posted by seraphimvulturethe fact is nothing good ccan come of this which is why the new thread from which good can come has been moved to help and site ideas. Please go there and say what you think of what has been said so far. It's a nice calm thread and is wanted to stay that way.
You keep accusing Ravello of not being able to understand English and yet you seem to have completely missed the point of my post. Out of bitterness or arrogance I doubt you'll bother to re-read the post and put forth any effort to see past your own ideas, so I won't bother asking you to read it again. You need to take responsibility for your actio ...[text shortened]... ll I ask is for you to try to make it worth while and get some good done. That is all.
-Kev
Well can we all at least agree that if someones moves match an engines then, they are probably using an engine ?
For example who could say that fritz wasnt playing for black in this game, its selected randomly from a player who does cheat. The rest of the games are all the same. How much proof is proof enough ?
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Nd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 b5 7.a4 c6 8.Be2 e6 9.0-0 Bd6 10.e5 Be7 11.Ba3 Bxa3 12.Rxa3
0-0
[Fritz 8: 1) 12...0-0 13.Nd2 Qe7 14.Qa1 a6 15.Ne4 f6 16.exf6 gxf6 17.Rd1 e5 18.axb5 cxb5 19.d5 0.22/12 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 12...Qe7 13.Ra1 0-0 0.22/12 ]
13.Qc2 a5
[Fritz 8: 1) 13...a5 14.Nd2 f6 15.axb5 cxb5 16.Bf3 Ra6 17.Rb1 b4 18.Nxc4 bxa3 19.Rxb8 0.16/11 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 13...Bb7 0.16/11 ]
14.Rb1 Bd7
[Fritz 8: 1) 14...Bd7 15.Qe4 Ra7 16.Raa1 Qe7 17.Qe3 Ra8 18.Ng5 f6 19.exf6 0.22/12 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 14...Qe7 15.Qb2 Bd7 16.Nd2 f6 17.exf6 Qxf6 18.Bf3 Ra7 19.axb5 cxb5 20.Ne4 0.25/12 ]
15.Nd2 f6
[Fritz 8: 1) 15...f6 16.Bf3 Ra7 17.Re1 Qe7 18.Qb2 f5 19.axb5 0.09/11 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 15...f5 16.Qb2 Ra7 17.Qa2 f4 18.Bf3 Be8 19.axb5 cxb5 20.Ra1 0.22/11 ]
16.exf6 Qxf6
[Fritz 8: 1) 16...Qxf6 17.Nf3 Be8 18.Qb2 Nd7 19.Rba1 Nb6 20.axb5 cxb5 21.Rxa5 Rxa5 22.Rxa5 Bc6 23.Ra7 0.09/12 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 16...Rxf6 17.Bf3 Ra7 18.Ne4 Rh6 19.Nc5 e5 20.axb5 Qh4 21.b6 0.31/11 ]
17.Ne4 Qe7
[Fritz 8: 1) 17...Qe7 18.Nc5 Be8 19.Rba1 Qh4 20.Bf1 e5 21.axb5 cxb5 22.dxe5 Qe7 23.Qe4 Bc6 24.Qe3 -0.28/11 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 17...Qf5 18.Bf3 e5 19.axb5 cxb5 20.Qa2 Bc6 21.d5 Qg6 22.dxc6 -0.19/11 ] 1
8.Nc5 Be8
[Fritz 8: 1) 18...Be8 19.Rba1 Qh4 20.g3 Qf6 21.Ne4 Qd8 22.axb5 cxb5 -0.28/10 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 18...e5 19.axb5 cxb5 20.Qe4 Bc6 21.Qxe5 Qxe5 22.dxe5 Re8 23.f4 -0.13/10 ]
19.Re1 Na6
[Fritz 8: 1) 19...Na6 20.Bg4 Nxc5 21.dxc5 Qxc5 22.Bxe6+ Kh8 23.Qa2 b4 -1.16/11 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 19...Nd7 20.Nxd7 Bxd7 21.Raa1 Qg5 22.Qc1 Qg6 23.Qe3 e5 24.Qxe5 -0.34/11 ]
20.Raa1 Nxc5
[Fritz 8: 1) 20...Nxc5 21.dxc5 Bg6 22.Qd2 Qxc5 23.Bf3 b4 24.Rxe6 Rad8 -1.66/0 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 20...Bg6 21.Ne4 e5 22.Bf3 -1.38/0 ]
21.dxc5 Bg6
[Fritz 8: 1) 21...Bg6 22.Qd2 Qxc5 23.Bf3 b4 24.Rxe6 Rad8 -1.66/0 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 21...Qxc5 22.Bg4 e5 23.Bf5 g6 24.Bh3 b4 25.Qb2 Bf7 26.cxb4 axb4 -1.44/12 ]
22.Qc1 Qxc5
[Fritz 8: 1) 22...Qxc5 23.Bf3 b4 24.Rxe6 Rac8 -1.66/0 ;
Fritz 8: 2) 22...e5 23.Qe3 Qf7 24.axb5 cxb5 -0.97/8 ]
23.Bf3 Bh5 24.Qa3 b4 25.cxb4 axb4
This is just one out of 100 games that i could have picked, so can we agree that fritz aid was used in this ?
Originally posted by claretnblueWell he has got some people wrong, Boby Fisher for example. The game is a wonderful example of human play, on top of that move 32. ...Be6 is a mistake any engine wouldnt make.
I think that Trackhead21 is a user/cheat, I can't see any purpose for his rambling posts otherwise.
there again I could be mistaken
[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "http://www.chessatwork.com"]
[Date "2003.03.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "fernando J P Vasquez"]
[Black "Boby Fisher"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "181651"]
1. e4 d6 2. d4 Ng8f6 3. Nb1c3 g6 4. Bc1e3 Bf8g7 5. Qd1d2 c6 6. Ng1f3 O-O
7. h3 b5 8. Bf1d3 Bc8b7 9. e5 b4 10. Nc3e2 Nf6d5 11. Be3h6 dxe5 12. Nf3xe5 Nb8d7
13. Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7 14. Ne5g4 Nd7f6 15. Ng4xf6 exf6 16. O-O Rf8e8 17. Rf1e1 Qd8d6
18. c4 bxc3 19. bxc3 Ra8d8 20. Ra1b1 Rd8d7 21. c4 Nd5e7 22. a4 f5
23. a5 Ne7g8 24. c5 Qd6c7 25. Ne2g3 Re8xe1 26. Rb1xe1 Qc7d8 27. Ng3e2 Ng8f6
28. Re1b1 Bb7c8 29. Rb1b8 Rd7b7 30. Rb8a8 Qd8c7 31. Qd2f4 Nf6d5 32. Qf4d6 Bc8e6
33. Bd3a6 Qc7xd6 34. cxd6 Rb7d7 35. Kg1f1 Nd5b4 36. Ba6c8 Rd7d8 37. Bc8b7 Rd8xa8
38. Bb7xa8 Kg7f8 39. Kf1e1 Kf8e8 40. Ke1d2 Ke8d7 41. Ne2f4 Kd7xd6
42. Ba8b7 Kd6c7 43. Nf4xe6 fxe6 44. a6 Kc7d6 45. g3 e5 46. dxe5 Kd6xe5
47. Kd2c3 Nb4d5 48. Kc3d3 Ke5d6 49. Kd3c4 Nd5c7 50. h4 Nc7e6 51. h5 Ne6c5
52. hxg6 hxg6 53. Bb7c8 Nc5e4 54. g4 fxg4 55. Bc8xg4 Ne4xf2 56. Bg4e2 Nf2h3
57. Kc4d4 Nh3f4 58. Be2f1 Nf4e6 59. Kd4e4 Kd6c7 60. Ke4e5 Ne6c5 61. Bf1c4 Kc7b6
62. Bc4f7 g5 63. Ke5f5 Nc5xa6 64. Kf5xg5 Kb6c5 65. Kg5f4 Kc5d4 66. Kf4f3 Na6b4
67. Bf7b3 Kd4d3 68. Bb3a4 a6 69. Kf3f2 c5 70. Ba4e8 c4 71. Be8g6 Kd3d2 0-1
Originally posted by GrayeyesofsorrowThanks, James, for posting this 🙂
Well he has got some people wrong, Boby Fisher for example. The game is a wonderful example of human play, on top of that move 36. ...Be6 is a mistake any engine wouldnt make.
[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "http://www.chessatwork.com"]
[Date "2003.03.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "fernando J P Vasquez"]
[Black "Boby Fisher"]
[Result "0- ...[text shortened]... 5d4 66. Kf4f3 Na6b4
67. Bf7b3 Kd4d3 68. Bb3a4 a6 69. Kf3f2 c5 70. Ba4e8 c4 71. Be8g6 Kd3d2 0-1