Played today. Had my king and 2 Castles. He had his King left.
Now, I have him in check with 1 more move till checkmate. Yet when he moves his king, he yells out 'stalemate'?
He's hasn't moved into check? I say, 'You can still move.' He replies, '16 moves, if I can only move my king then you have 16 moves to get a checkmate. Then it becomes a stalemate.'
Now I accepted the call, not being a chess encyclopedia, but it bugged me all the same.
Now is there such a rule?
Statement of rule
The relevant part of the official FIDE laws of chess is rule 9.3[1]:
The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, if
(a) he writes on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter his intention to make a move which shall result in the last 50 moves having been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece, or
(b) the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece.
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Source =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_move_rule
Originally posted by eddpeitaI think you were just stupid by giving him a draw
Played today. Had my king and 2 Castles. He had his King left.
Now, I have him in check with 1 more move till checkmate. Yet when he moves his king, he yells out 'stalemate'?
He's hasn't moved into check? I say, 'You can still move.' He replies, '16 moves, if I can only move my king then you have 16 moves to get a checkmate. Then it becomes a stalema ...[text shortened]... being a chess encyclopedia, but it bugged me all the same.
Now is there such a rule?
Originally posted by eddpeitaTell me this is a wind up!
Played today. Had my king and 2 Castles. He had his King left.
Now, I have him in check with 1 more move till checkmate. Yet when he moves his king, he yells out 'stalemate'?
He's hasn't moved into check? I say, 'You can still move.' He replies, '16 moves, if I can only move my king then you have 16 moves to get a checkmate. Then it becomes a stalema ...[text shortened]... being a chess encyclopedia, but it bugged me all the same.
Now is there such a rule?
Originally posted by Dragon FireNo. I've seen this rule invoked more times than I can remember. My step-father, who originally taught me how to play, thought this was a legit rule of Chess also. I have no idea where it came from, but there are apparently many people who think it is real (at least in the U.S. anyway). Of course, in the U.S., Chess is widely viewed as a simple game, no different really from checkers or monopoly. The fact that it isn't taken seriously by our culture has probably led to the creation of such unorthodox rules.
Tell me this is a wind up!
Originally posted by Maxwell SmartThe only reason you've seen this "korkser" rule invoked more times than you can remember is because you played in a closed circle that taught it. I've never heard anyone believing such. It's not a screwy Americanism.
No. I've seen this rule invoked more times than I can remember. My step-father, who originally taught me how to play, thought this was a legit rule of Chess also. rules.
Korkser chess has been with us since the games inception. All manner of bizarre rules limited to a small area or circle of friends are possible.
Originally posted by Sam The ShamNot true at all. Do not operate under the erroneous assumption that I have lived my life within the confines of a bubble. I have resided in Virginia, West Virginia, Illinois, California, Texas, North Carolina, and Massachusetts. I have also travelled to Norway and England. I don't pretend to be a man of the world, but I have been around a bit. The misguided idea that the original poster asked about was not by any means isolated to a closed circle. I have seen it invoked by players in many situations and locations. The fact that you've never encountered it does not by any means indicate that it isn't a widely held misconception amongst those who do not play chess with any degree of seriousness (which constitutes the vast majority of the U.S. population, by the way).
The only reason you've seen this "korkser" rule invoked more times than you can remember is because you played in a closed circle that taught it. I've never heard anyone believing such. It's not a screwy Americanism.
Korkser chess has been with us since the games inception. All manner of bizarre rules limited to a small area or circle of friends are possible.
EDIT- As a side note, I've never been to New Zealand, the flag that the original poster has on his/her profile. So much for the closed circle theory.
Originally posted by Maxwell SmartOK. I'm properly amazed. Never, ever heard anyone try to claim a 16 move draw. Not in 40 years. Anywhere.
Not true at all. Do not operate under the erroneous assumption that I have lived my life within the confines of a bubble. I have resided in Virginia, West Virginia, Illinois, California, Texas, North Carolina, and Massachusetts. I have also travelled to Norway and England. I don't pretend to be a man of the world, but I have been around a bit. The misg flag that the original poster has on his/her profile. So much for the closed circle theory.
First: Learn all the rules from a beginner book.
Second: Read the FIDE rules so you know where to find the more intricate details.
Now you know that 'local rules' are local only and not within the official rules of chess.
If someone would try this on me, then I just refer to the FIDE rules, and that's that.
But - once in Paris I was invited to a game in a chess café. They had 'local rules', and I had to decide if I'd agree to these rules or not. I agreed to them and had a lovely time with them anyway.
In a tournament - call the TD, let him decide if you are in doubt.
"Local" rules , or "Kid's" rules, here's a few common ones you may see n00Bs or young people believe are real:
If the king has ever been placed in check, castling is not allowed later.
A pawn can only be promoted to a piece that has been previously captured, two queens are not allowed.
Each player gets to make two moves at first.
"Check to the queen" must be announced
50 move draw rule= buncha variations.
By the way, it's a DRAW by 50 move rule (or 16, as your douchebag friend claimed), not a stalemate. Stalemate is when the king isn't in check and can't move anyplace else but into check and no other legal moves are available.
Originally posted by eddpeitaI remember people telling me about this "rule" when I was a kid. I didn't learn it was nonsense until I was 10 or 11.
Played today. Had my king and 2 Castles. He had his King left.
Now, I have him in check with 1 more move till checkmate. Yet when he moves his king, he yells out 'stalemate'?
He's hasn't moved into check? I say, 'You can still move.' He replies, '16 moves, if I can only move my king then you have 16 moves to get a checkmate. Then it becomes a stalema ...[text shortened]... being a chess encyclopedia, but it bugged me all the same.
Now is there such a rule?
To this day, I still have to sometimes try to convince people (usually children) that this rule doesn't exist. And, I don't always succeed in convincing them.