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Originally posted by tomtom232It's also about psychology. Kramnik clearly is not up for a fight - even I can see that he's not playing his best - and Anand is, in spades. Basically, Anand has walked all over Kramnik at least twice (the first win could've been just surprise at the novelty, the second could not, the third is, AFAICT, all due to Anand's superior fight). This is not just because he plays fabulously and agressively, but also because Vlad let him.
It's not just about trading down for a draw. You have to make the right trades at the right tim. Apparently, it wasn't the right time.
In that situation, you don't want to trade even if it would be the right time to go for a draw. You want to continue walking all over him. He wants the draw. You are in the mind-set for a win. Clearly, it is psychologically favourable to you not to let him trade queens even in the right circumstances - you only do so when it's good for you, not when it's more-or-less-ok for both of you.
Richard
22 Oct 08
Betting odds
Game 7...
Krammy white
Anand win...9-4
Draw......4-11
Kramnik win....10-1 !!!!!
Is there a financial penalty if Vladimir Kramnik resigns the series, early before a decisive result, a broken player ?
source...
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_type_id=8868&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=182&disp_cat_id=
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by Tinmart69I think those are crazy odds. Unless Kramnik has already given up on the match he will definitely be going for a win today, and despite what's happened in the match so far he is still one of the best players in the world.
Betting odds
Game 7...
Krammy white
Anand win...9-4
Draw......4-11
Kramnik win....10-1 !!!!!
source...
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_type_id=8868&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=182&disp_cat_id=
If I was still a betting man I would probably bet on both Anand and Kramnik to win, i.e. bet on it not being a draw.
22 Oct 08
I really like this match...I was not supporting any of these players as I do not consider them to play nice chess and both to be a bit to focused on draws, but I admire them now(especially Anand)...
I was expecting many many draws and only 1-2 decided games...
I think the decided games are good for chess!
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22 Oct 08
Originally posted by Tinmart69Kramnik actually has Black again in Game 7. The colour sequence switches at this point of the match.
Betting odds
Game 7...
Krammy white
Anand win...9-4
Draw......4-11
Kramnik win....10-1 !!!!!
Is there a financial penalty if Vladimir Kramnik resigns the series, early before a decisive result, a broken player ?
source...
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_type_id=8868&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=182&disp_cat_id=
I think the bookies odds of 10-1 of Kramnik winning with Black after two bad losses is quite realistic.
I'm sure he knows that his chance to win the match or tie it is practically zero. Kramnik's main priority from now on is how to avoid total humiliation.
Therefore I expect he will aim to draw the next game and play solidly in the remaining games so that he doesn't go further behind.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by David Tebb"Therefore I expect he will aim to draw the next game and play solidly "
Kramnik actually has Black again in Game 7. The colour sequence switches at this point of the match.
I think the bookies odds of 10-1 of Kramnik winning with Black after two bad losses is quite realistic.
I'm sure he knows that his chance to win the match or tie it is practically zero. Kramnik's main priority from now on is how to avoid total humi ...[text shortened]... w the next game and play solidly in the remaining games so that he doesn't go further behind.
hahaha, very surprising from Kramnik...
Come on, he always plays like this...
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22 Oct 08
Originally posted by vipiuHe didn't play very solidly in his last two games - sacrificing pawns for no compensation in one game and blundering in time trouble in the other.
"Therefore I expect he will aim to draw the next game and play solidly "
hahaha, very surprising from Kramnik...
Come on, he always plays like this...
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by gambit3I am still a fan of the first to 6 wins style of match that was abandoned after Karpov and Kasparov stretched it to 48 games in 1985 with no clear winner (Karpov led +5 -1 =42)
12 games pluss tie breaker games if needed. 12 games seems a bit fast for such an important match. What happened to the 21 game match?
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Originally posted by zebanoThe score was actually 5-3 after 48 games and the match was played in 1984 (the return match was in 1985). Kasparov won the last two games and was playing his best chess of the match, Karpov was close to collapse, so most people believe the match was stopped to save him.
I am still a fan of the first to 6 wins style of match that was abandoned after Karpov and Kasparov stretched it to 48 games in 1985 with no clear winner (Karpov led +5 -1 =42)
I don't think there will ever be a return to matches of first to 6 wins. There are too many practical problems, such as hiring a venue for an indefinite period and all the additional costs entailed by a lengthy match.
But I don't know why they can't go back to the traditional 24 game match that has been used in the majority of World Championships.
12 games is far too short.
