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no1marauder
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Originally posted by Korch
Pawn on e5 is extra pawn which black don`t need to defend letting white to waste tempo taking it. Knight on e4 will have no problems moving to f6 where it will be safe.
Another Knight retreat?? Will he be heading back to g8 so Black can gain full equality?

The main line given in MCO-15 is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Nb8 6. Bd3 Nc5 7. Nxe5 Nxd3+ 8. Nxd3

when Black has the choice of d6 or Be7. Assess this position, please.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Another Knight retreat?? Will he be heading back to g8 so Black can gain full equality?

The main line given in MCO-15 is: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Nb8 6. Bd3 Nc5 7. Nxe5 Nxd3+ 8. Nxd3

when Black has the choice of d6 or Be7. Assess this position, please.
1) Whats wrong with 6....Nf6 7.Nxe5 Bc5 ?
2) After 6...Nc5 7. Nxe5 Nxd3+ 8. Nxd3 d6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Qf3 0-0 (book line) position seems to be equal.

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Originally posted by Korch
1) Whats wrong with 6....Nf6 7.Nxe5 Bc5 ?
2) After 6...Nc5 7. Nxe5 Nxd3+ 8. Nxd3 d6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Qf3 0-0 (book line) position seems to be equal.
1) Ask Isidor Gunsberg. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036323 White seems to maintain a serious space advantage throughout the game.

2) MCO does evaluate the position as approximately equal but White seems better developed, has more space and there don't seem to be good squares for Black's bishops yet. Of course, there's no crushing win for White, but he looks a bit better to me. Why do you think the position is equal?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
1) Ask Isidor Gunsberg. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036323 White seems to maintain a serious space advantage throughout the game.

2) MCO does evaluate the position as approximately equal but White seems better developed, has more space and there don't seem to be good squares for Black's bishops yet. Of course, there's no crushing win for White, but he looks a bit better to me. Why do you think the position is equal?
1) Black played far from perfect. For example better was 9...Be7 with intention of a5.

2) Black 2 bishops (which may expand in future as position does not seem so deadly closed) and absence of any weakness.

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Originally posted by Korch
1) Black played far from perfect. For example better was 9...Be7 with intention of a5.

2) Black 2 bishops (which may expand in future as position does not seem so deadly closed) and absence of any weakness.
OK, but I still prefer White. It seems he can whip up a Kingside attack rather quickly with Be3, Nd2, Qg3, etc. etc. etc. Of course, Black gets to move too but he looks to be on the defensive for the immediate future.

EDIT: Sorry, I guess Qg3 isn't viable yet. Perhaps Qh5.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
OK, but I still prefer White. It seems he can whip up a Kingside attack rather quickly with Be3, Nd2, Qg3, etc. etc. etc. Of course, Black gets to move too but he looks to be on the defensive for the immediate future.
It`s the matter of taste. Also I prefer some opening systems which I like to play but which gives opponent a chance to reach equality (1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.g3 for example).

Edit: After 11.Be3 Nd7 12.Nd2 Ne5 black should be more than ok as after 13.Nxe5 dxe5 it will be black who may try to advance kingside.

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Originally posted by Korch
It`s the matter of taste. Also I prefer some opening systems which I like to play but which gives opponent a chance to reach equality (1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.g3 for example).
Fair enough. I wouldn't play the Ponzy anyway; I'm a Scotch man!

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I don't personally like it; it's sort of a simplified Guioco Piano. But that's just me. I saw the video and I think anyone who uses 1...e5 and 2...Nc6 should start preparing for it because it's a sort of cheap trappy opening. Good maybe up to 1600, but then I'de move on.

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