I was reading an article where it sugested to give a tekeback oportunity to a human player vs a computer, since the computer can not make a human mistake this would be just fair to my thinking, if kramnik had this he would have drawn game 2 of the match since it was a clear mistake.
What is your oppinion about this, should it be considered for the next match?
Originally posted by Supermanto me it wouldnt be a good idea.
I was reading an article where it sugested to give a tekeback oportunity to a human player vs a computer, since the computer can not make a human mistake this would be just fair to my thinking, if kramnik had this he would have drawn game 2 of the match since it was a clear mistake.
What is your oppinion about this, should it be considered for the next match?
BTW : Human vs computers ?
chess programs are better than us ...
Originally posted by zintierivI think it is not saying that PCs are better, compare it to a simple calculating machine, of course it is better than us calculating but you cant say it in that way.
to me it wouldnt be a good idea.
BTW : Human vs computers ?
chess programs are better than us ...
Other thing is that computers don`t get tired, humans do.
Originally posted by zintierivI agree.
to me it wouldnt be a good idea.
BTW : Human vs computers ?
chess programs are better than us ...
We don't need any more publicity stunts with the WC against a computer.
Proof that the computer is better is that every book and article about chess always defer to the almighty Fritz
Originally posted by SupermanThe real superman would circle the Earth at super-speeds to take a move back.
I was reading an article where it sugested to give a tekeback oportunity to a human player vs a computer, since the computer can not make a human mistake this would be just fair to my thinking, if kramnik had this he would have drawn game 2 of the match since it was a clear mistake.
What is your oppinion about this, should it be considered for the next match?
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Even if it were allowed, I don't think anyone with a lick of pride would use it. However, I do think the computers should be restricted more than in the Fritz vs. Kramnik match. In a real tournament between humans, players aren't allowed to refer to books or databases- they have to go from their own memory. It's harder to distinguish what's what with computers since their memory may contain all this material. One simple step would be to not allow the computer to use endgame tablebases. I don't think of this as handicapping the computer so much as making things fair - the human player can't refer to them. I'm not a software engineer, but I think a further step might be to have a set limit to the amount of reference data a computer "player" is allowed to use - i.e. so many megabytes of data the designers must decide how to distribute between the opening book, particular endgame positions etc. This isn't just to keep things fair for human-computer matches, but should also help keep computer-computer competion about a struggle between the "intelegence" of these ai creations.
Originally posted by SkorjI think it is a good point what you say, it is not really intelligence playing but searching a database.
Even if it were allowed, I don't think anyone with a lick of pride would use it. However, I do think the computers should be restricted more than in the Fritz vs. Kramnik match. In a real tournament between humans, players aren't allowed to refer to books or databases- they have to go from their own memory. It's harder to distinguish what's what with computers ...[text shortened]... computer competion about a struggle between the "intelegence" of these ai creations.
Originally posted by SkorjI amy be wrong but without databases, all games like 2bishops and king vs. king are drawn? Wrong or right?
Even if it were allowed, I don't think anyone with a lick of pride would use it. However, I do think the computers should be restricted more than in the Fritz vs. Kramnik match. In a real tournament between humans, players aren't allowed to refer to books or databases- they have to go from their own memory. It's harder to distinguish what's what with computers ...[text shortened]... computer competion about a struggle between the "intelegence" of these ai creations.
Originally posted by pizzintea2B + K v K is pretty easy to win
I amy be wrong but without databases, all games like 2bishops and king vs. king are drawn? Wrong or right?
Q + K v R + K is harder but still learnable
More exotic endings like
Q + K v 2N + K
for practical purposes are usually drawn without a database but the basic defensive positions still need to be learnt
Originally posted by idiomsNot sure about 2Bs but N+B+K vs K I think is drown too without databases...
2B + K v K is pretty easy to win
Q + K v R + K is harder but still learnable
More exotic endings like
Q + K v 2N + K
for practical purposes are usually drawn without a database but the basic defensive positions still need to be learnt
It would be nice to see a computer without any database playing against a strong human...I think the human would overplay it in the opening and it will be nice to be seen if the human can mantain his advantage in the middle game...
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I read an something that suggested giving the human players low level computer programs (no positional understanding at all) just to avoid total blunders and make the game more "intresting" in the writers view. Likewise they suggested giving the computer a class A/expert player to stop it from making the odd dent positional move.
Personally I prefer just straight human vs computer games.
Originally posted by pizzinteaI wouldn't suggest no databases for computer matches, but a limit to their size. Even human players have a certain amount of "database" memory they work from such as the openings they know or perhaps how to play K,B,B vs. K endings. Finding the optimal allocation of database knowledge would be an interesting challenge to the designers. I would suggest this size limit should be the computer equivalent to the grey matter "database" the typical GM possesses if someone could figure this out (or perhaps has figured it out).
I amy be wrong but without databases, all games like 2bishops and king vs. king are drawn? Wrong or right?