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Originally posted by TommyC
Ah, ok!! No worries. That makes much more sense!

Back to the thread subject, I don't really like the classical KID or the Yugoslav Dragon. This is not because the positions make me wince or anything, but because the thematic middle-game plans are so well known I think who wins just comes down to either (a) theoretical knowledge, or (b) chance.
The KID is tougher than the Pirc or the Dragon, but for white the attack against all three plays itself.

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Originally posted by Red Night
The KID is tougher than the Pirc or the Dragon, but for white the attack against all three plays itself.
There I disagree, especially with the Dragon. If white thinks the attack is playing itself he often finds out the hard way that natural looking moves are often dubious moves (especially in the Yugoslav).

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
There I disagree, especially with the Dragon. If white thinks the attack is playing itself he often finds out the hard way that natural looking moves are often dubious moves (especially in the Yugoslav).
What's the current dragon saviour move?

For awhile it was Qb8, then d5 made 9. Bc4 mandatory, then Qc7 made 9. 0-0-0 mandatory. Last I heard h5 was suppossed to bust the Yugoslav.

I still agree with Fischer, "pry open the h file, sac, sac, mate!"

By the way, I love the Dragon. I just like winning more.

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Originally posted by Red Night
What's the current dragon saviour move?

For awhile it was Qb8, then d5 made 9. Bc4 mandatory, then Qc7 made 9. 0-0-0 mandatory. Last I heard h5 was suppossed to bust the Yugoslav.

I still agree with Fischer, "pry open the h file, sac, sac, mate!"

By the way, I love the Dragon. I just like winning more.
If you want dragon theory, ask Tony 😀.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
If you want dragon theory, ask Tony 😀.
They should have another Dragon tournament.

Tony will be around soon enough.

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Originally posted by Red Night
The KID is tougher than the Pirc or the Dragon, but for white the attack against all three plays itself.
I think the KID Samisch is often very interesting - and there are a large number of deviations from stereotypical moves that leads to novel positions, eg the a6-b5-c6 plan for black. I actually meant the closed positions where white is pawn-storming on the queenside, black on the kingside.

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Originally posted by Red Night
They should have another Dragon tournament.

Tony will be around soon enough.
They already did...it's in progress!

Edit, sorry missed "another".

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Originally posted by Red Night
What's the current dragon saviour move?

For awhile it was Qb8, then d5 made 9. Bc4 mandatory, then Qc7 made 9. 0-0-0 mandatory. Last I heard h5 was suppossed to bust the Yugoslav.

I still agree with Fischer, "pry open the h file, sac, sac, mate!"

By the way, I love the Dragon. I just like winning more.
I've been have a good deal of fun with 10. ... b5?!

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Originally posted by Red Night
They should have another Dragon tournament.

Tony will be around soon enough.
Hahaha, hilariously enough, Black doesn't let white play h5 so easily anymore. 9. 0-0-0 is a little bit more dangerous these days I think.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Ne5 11. Bb3 Rc8 12. h4 h5!

and as you said, after 9. 0-0-0, Black should probably play ..d5!

I still think black has good enough chances in both lines. 😀

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Hahaha, hilariously enough, Black doesn't let white play h5 so easily anymore. 9. 0-0-0 is a little bit more dangerous these days I think.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Ne5 11. Bb3 Rc8 12. h4 h5!

and as you said, after 9. 0-0-0, Black should probably play ..d5!

I still think black has good enough chances in both lines. 😀
What about 9..Qc7? In response to 9. Bc4

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I've been have a good deal of fun with 10. ... b5?!
What's black's 9th? Qa5 or Bd7?

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Originally posted by Red Night
What's black's 9th? Qa5 or Bd7?
or 9.O-O-O 😀

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
or 9.O-O-O 😀
Black can't play 9...0-0-0, the Q and B are in the way.

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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 b5?!

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Originally posted by Red Night
Black can't play 9...0-0-0, the Q and B are in the way.
What? No they aren't...

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