18 Feb 15
Originally posted by humyWrong again. You keep lying and expect people to believe your propaganda. You continue to make false claims and never back them up with a credible source of information. The reason is clear, you are full of crap.More nonsense based on those models that don't agree with one another.
All the models agree that there is man made global warming of the kind of magnitude that would generally be naturally expected to cause thousands if not millions of human deaths thus anything they disagree on are relatively trivial details such as exactly where would ...[text shortened]... should think extremely carefully about that esp before making any more condescending assertions.
"So they're faked, you're saying?
They're tweaked. I think that's a polite way of putting it. They're adjusted, or tweaked, until they produce the present climate and the present short-term variation. You have to also understand there's something like two dozen climate models in the world. And one question to ask is: Do they agree? And the answer is: They do not. And these models are all produced by excellent meteorologists, fantastic computers. Why do they not agree? Why do some models predict a warming for a doubling of CO2, of, let's say, five degrees Centigrade--which is eight degrees Fahrenheit)--and why do other models predict something like one degree?
Well, there's a reason for this. These models differ in the way they depict clouds, primarily. In some models, clouds produce an additional warming. In some models, clouds produce a cooling. Which models are correct? There's no way of telling. Each modeler thinks that his model is the best. So I think we all have to wait until the dispersion in the model results shrinks a little bit--until they start to agree with each other."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/singer.html
Just as I suspected, man made sea level rise has already started to displace some people and it will only get worse eventually displacing thousands of not millions of people:
http://phys.org/news/2015-02-millions-rapid-sea-swampy-sundarbans.html
This would be a "significant harmful amount" of man made sea level rise (from man made global warming, of course ) by any stretch of the imagination.
Only a complete idiot would think this is nothing to concern future generations and that we should do absolutely nothing about it -and there is no shortage of them.
Originally posted by googlefudgeit says:
http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blog/2014/10/03/sea-level-rise-in-miami/
"..Like many low-lying coastal cities around the world, Miami is threatened by rising seas. Whether the majority of the cause is anthropogenic or natural, the end result is indisputable: sea level is rising and it is due to climate change. It is not a political issue, nor does it matter if someone believes in it or not..."
But I like to add to that:
Actually, it doesn't matter whether the majority of the cause is anthropogenic or natural! That is because, even if, say, only 10% of its cause is anthropogenic, 10% means we still will cause 10% of the sea level rise and, presumably, something like 10% of the damage (from global warming and therefore also sea level rise ) and that includes something like 10% of the many thousands if not millions of human deaths.
I say that here because I have noticed that many of the least reasonable man made global warming 'skeptics' (like the one here ) often baselessly assert we are not the cause because 'most' of the cause is natural. But, what they fail to comprehend is that, even if that baseless assertion were by coincidence to be true, it would be totally irrelevant because that still wouldn't mean we are not causing and therefore responsible for many (at least thousands ) of human deaths (plus other damage ). In fact, even if only 1% of the cause was man made, we will still be responsible for thousands of deaths.
It would be just like you deliberately murdering someone and then idiotically say it doesn't matter you murdered someone and it is not crime because the fact remains that more than 99% of human deaths are not due to murder! -same 'logic' as those 'skeptics'.
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18 Feb 15
Originally posted by Metal BrainHave you seen the second two Back to the Future movies?
Why does your side always run like cowards from a debate like this, Humy and Google? Why not grow some balls and actually debate on facts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYKggC5VOzA
I am not going to come and 'debate' you because you call me chicken.
I am not going to debate you because you're a moron and an ass****.
Nobody who's opinion I give a damn about cares that I'm not pointlessly engaging
with you, and I'm kinda busy in RL and do this for fun.
'Debating' with you is not fun, nor interesting. It's boring as all get out.
I know climate change is real and dangerous because I can do [and have done]
the basic science behind it, and can follow the high end stuff as well.
I understand that there is consensus and why that consensus is right.
It's not an issue up for debate any more, just like evolution.
If you were interested in learning about climate change that would be one thing,
but you're not.
19 Feb 15
Originally posted by googlefudge🙄
Have you seen the second two Back to the Future movies?
I am not going to come and 'debate' you because you call me chicken.
I am not going to debate you because you're a moron and an ass****.
Nobody who's opinion I give a damn about cares that I'm not pointlessly engaging
with you, and I'm kinda busy in RL and do this for fun.
'Debating' w ...[text shortened]... you were interested in learning about climate change that would be one thing,
but you're not.
12 Mar 15
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Originally posted by Metal BrainJust wondered, you would then just let things happen and ignore the warming issue? Are you saying because you believe warming is from natural causes it will somehow all be better in another 100 years?
I have stated before that man made causes are a factor. I have also said that an estimate of 97% man made is an overestimate. If man could tell the difference between natural and man made warming that accurately it would be nice, but the reality is that nobody really knows with any accuracy as you would like to believe. What I do know is that some think ...[text shortened]... g the right to explain anything with any degree of confidence.
You want to have it both ways.
I gather you feel you are the one voice of reason in a field of stupidity.
12 Mar 15
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Originally posted by sonhouse...when he is in fact the voice of stupidity in a field of reason.
I gather you feel you are the one voice of reason in a field of stupidity.
(I didn't say "one voice" because, sadly, in the minority they may be, there is no shortage of them and they are loud )
12 Mar 15
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Originally posted by Metal BrainIt's the same as predicting the path of hurricanes, surely you have seen those, where the paths predicted are wildly different, some paths going up from say Cuba, right into Miami, other paths leading to Houston, other paths leading to Burmuda, all from the same forecasts.
Wrong again. You keep lying and expect people to believe your propaganda. You continue to make false claims and never back them up with a credible source of information. The reason is clear, you are full of crap.
"So they're faked, you're saying?
They're tweaked. I think that's a polite way of putting it. They're adjusted, or tweaked, until they pr ...[text shortened]... ntil they start to agree with each other."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/singer.html
But the basic point is there IS a hurricane coming and there is not much you can do about that.
But given decades of warning, we CAN do something about the greenhouse gases because humans are causing said greenhouse gas increases, even if we can't predict exactly what the temperature or sea level is going to be in 100 years. The hard part is convincing people like you who seem to have a vested interest in the status quo. As long as your 401 profits are the same, your company is putting in it's 50% you are happy. Wait till the weather forces your company out of business and you lose your 401. Do you want to bet on that?
The certain part is temperatures WILL rise, sealevels WILL rise and we may already have passed the tipping point.
You will probably be here in 30 years and you will see exactly why we were right and you are totally wrong, much to your own detriment.
12 Mar 15
Originally posted by sonhouseYou just will not accept it will you? Climate models can't predict anything with accuracy. There are too many factors. It really is that simple. The IPCC's method of using the average result of all the climate models that all have different predictions is retarded. To assume any of them come close to a correct prediction is complete stupidity. They could not do it before and they cannot do it now.
It's the same as predicting the path of hurricanes, surely you have seen those, where the paths predicted are wildly different, some paths going up from say Cuba, right into Miami, other paths leading to Houston, other paths leading to Burmuda, all from the same forecasts.
But the basic point is there IS a hurricane coming and there is not much you can ...[text shortened]... nd you will see exactly why we were right and you are totally wrong, much to your own detriment.
Your hurricane analogy really just supports my position. There are even too many factors to predict the exact course of a hurricane even though it is only days away from reaching land. Weather itself is difficult to predict in the long term even though we are better at it. Climate change is even more unpredictable.
I say we test the predictions of models before accepting anything. It is just common sense. Climate models have done a lousy job of predictions so far. Only a retard would put faith in them before testing them more.
Faith is what you have, not science. Science does not support your alarmist assertions. Climate scientists know the models are not reliable, but those that want funding will never admit that. If they are truthful and say there are too many factors to accurately predict anything they are out of a job. That is why they stand by their own particular model and bluff their way into getting more funding. It is either that or be out of a job. You would be surprised what some people will resort to just to keep their job.
You still have no solution. All your alarmism means nothing if you have nothing that will solve what you consider a problem. Are you trying to scare people only to tell them later there is nothing that can be done about it?
12 Mar 15
Originally posted by Metal BrainIt's not faith that we notice glaciers disappearing, villages in Alaska losing their homes to rising sea levels. My own brother in law living in Florida near Miami, has a condo on the beach and the ocean is visibly encroaching on his land, already destroyed a boat landing, you can't launch a boat from his house any more.
You just will not accept it will you? Climate models can't predict anything with accuracy. There are too many factors. It really is that simple. The IPCC's method of using the average result of all the climate models that all have different predictions is retarded. To assume any of them come close to a correct prediction is complete stupidity. They could ...[text shortened]... e you trying to scare people only to tell them later there is nothing that can be done about it?
I don't know what it would take for you to actually see this deterioration going on. I think AT BEST you live a sheltered life, and watch a lot of Fox news.
Originally posted by Metal BrainWhat a load of crap you talk.
Climate models can't predict anything with accuracy. There are too many factors.
Exactly how inaccurate (according to you ) is "can't predict anything with accuracy"? Show us scientists all your mathematical circulations you used to calculate this level of inaccuracy...
-you can't? Well, talking out of your ass yet again.
And exactly how many "factors" (according to you ) is "too many factors" will make it to mean "can't predict anything with accuracy"? 5 "factors"? 10 "factors"? and why at least THAT number? List these factors and show us scientists all your mathematical circulations you used to calculate this numerical value of "too many factors"....
-you can't? Well, talking out of your ass yet again.
you are not a scientist let alone a climate scientist and you don't know anything about the accuracy of climate models. You obviously a fanatically arrogant ignorant delusional man who simply doesn't know what he is talking about.
13 Mar 15
Originally posted by sonhouse"we notice glaciers disappearing"
It's not faith that we notice glaciers disappearing, villages in Alaska losing their homes to rising sea levels. My own brother in law living in Florida near Miami, has a condo on the beach and the ocean is visibly encroaching on his land, already destroyed a boat landing, you can't launch a boat from his house any more.
I don't know what it would take f ...[text shortened]... deterioration going on. I think AT BEST you live a sheltered life, and watch a lot of Fox news.
If glaciers are melting that is proof of what exactly? Here is a multiple choice Q for you to A.
A) Glaciers melt in the summer months
B) Glaciers have been melting since the end of the ice age
C) Glaciers never melt unless man is causing it
D) Both A & B
Perhaps you are not aware that sea levels can rise temporarily without climate change. I'm not claiming that is the cause, but it is worth considering. I know from experience that GW alarmists do jump to conclusions hastily at times.
Didn't you warn your brother in law about the rising sea levels? Was he an idiot and bought the place or did he inherit the place from his rich parents? They have hurricanes in Florida. It is common sense to not build too close to the shore. I guess that is what happens when stupid people with money spend it. He will live though. Relocation is not the end of the world.
You seem very concerned for these rich people who own ocean front property. They could probably lose their ocean front homes and still live better than me. Cry me a river. Those poor rich people.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150224113711.htm🙄