2014 hottest year for at least the last 135 years

Originally posted by Metal Brain
"we notice glaciers disappearing"

If glaciers are melting that is proof of what exactly? Here is a multiple choice Q for you to A.

A) Glaciers melt in the summer months
B) Glaciers have been melting since the end of the ice age
C) Glaciers never melt unless man is causing it
D) Both A & B

Perhaps you are not aware that sea levels can rise te ...[text shortened]... ver. Those poor rich people.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150224113711.htm🙄

Yet again, what a load of crap you talk.

How does "we notice glaciers disappearing" exclude the possibility that this observation is due to RECENT melting of glaciers caused by man made global warming?
Why do you obtusely exclude that possibility from your stupidly obtuse list (from A to D ) as if those moronically stated options (from A to D ) , somehow, (explain How? ... ) exclude the possibility?
Is that the best you can do for a so-called 'argument'? Pathetic! You foul nobody here. You are embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
"we notice glaciers disappearing"

If glaciers are melting that is proof of what exactly? Here is a multiple choice Q for you to A.

A) Glaciers melt in the summer months
B) Glaciers have been melting since the end of the ice age
C) Glaciers never melt unless man is causing it
D) Both A & B

Perhaps you are not aware that sea levels can rise te ...[text shortened]... ver. Those poor rich people.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150224113711.htm🙄

You really are an assshole. Saying rich people lose their waterfront property while totally ignoring the millions of not poor who will also lose theirs shows a complete lack of compassion.

It looks to me like you are just another narcissistic assshole with zero concern for anyone else on the planet.

Why don't you go back, crawl back into the hole you came from and get back to your Fox news show and Hannidy and O'reilly and Rush Limberger. You will have a FINE time with them.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You really are an assshole. Saying rich people lose their waterfront property while totally ignoring the millions of not poor who will also lose theirs shows a complete lack of compassion.

It looks to me like you are just another narcissistic assshole with zero concern for anyone else on the planet.

Why don't you go back, crawl back into the hole yo ...[text shortened]... Fox news show and Hannidy and O'reilly and Rush Limberger. You will have a FINE time with them.

"Saying rich people lose their waterfront property while totally ignoring the millions of not poor who will also lose theirs shows a complete lack of compassion."

I'm not worried about "not poor" people who own waterfront property. I'm worried about poor people who can't afford to move and might go through hardship. Poor people don't own ocean front property. Rich people can afford to move and will still eat in fancy restaurants looking down on the poor people.

You have it backwards. Rich people are the asssholes and I'll bet you are one of them. You are a snob that wants to protect yourself and your rich friends while watching the poor struggle. You probably laugh at them. You could care less about poor people. You are a Social Darwinist assshole!

Originally posted by Metal Brain
"Saying rich people lose their waterfront property while totally ignoring the millions of not poor who will also lose theirs shows a complete lack of compassion."

I'm not worried about "not poor" people who own waterfront property. I'm worried about poor people who can't afford to move and might go through hardship. Poor people don't own ocean front p ...[text shortened]... bably laugh at them. You could care less about poor people. You are a Social Darwinist assshole!

I made a typo. I didn't mean 'not poor', I meant middle income or less people who will certainly lose their homes and will not get insurance either. I personally live in a house 140 years old and my kids accidentally started a fire on the front porch and the fire department came with chainsaws and cut up about 1/3 of the porch. So the insurance adjuster came out and his final report was $4500 worth of damages and they said, ok, here is your $800 check. I ask why so little. Seems there is a clause that cuts out 80% of the coverage if you have an old house and the insurance, instead of being $1000 a year will be $10,000 a year minimum to get full coverage.

Do you seriously think that kind of thing won't happen when people start losing their waterfront homes?

It's already happening in Alaska, where I went to High School and I knew quite a lot of Inuit.

They are losing their homes literally to the rising sea north of Anchorage and you can be sure they have no insurance and little money.

It looks from here like you could give a rats ass about folk like them.

Go back to Jeff Beck and Fox news.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I made a typo. I didn't mean 'not poor', I meant middle income or less people who will certainly lose their homes and will not get insurance either. I personally live in a house 140 years old and my kids accidentally started a fire on the front porch and the fire department came with chainsaws and cut up about 1/3 of the porch. So the insurance adjuster cam ...[text shortened]... here like you could give a rats ass about folk like them.

Go back to Jeff Beck and Fox news.

First of all I do not have satellite TV and have not had it in years so I could not watch Jeff Beck and Fox news even if I wanted to. Stop implying things about me that are false. You also guess at my educational level just like humy does and neither of you know. You think I have a physics degree and humy thinks I don't. Both of you can keep guessing.

"It's already happening in Alaska, where I went to High School and I knew quite a lot of Inuit.

They are losing their homes literally to the rising sea north of Anchorage and you can be sure they have no insurance and little money."

What is your source of information? I asked you to provide the link and you have neglected to do so. Perhaps it is intentional. Are you afraid I will uncover the truth and discredit another one of your links?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
First of all I do not have satellite TV and have not had it in years so I could not watch Jeff Beck and Fox news even if I wanted to. Stop implying things about me that are false. You also guess at my educational level just like humy does and neither of you know. You think I have a physics degree and humy thinks I don't. Both of you can keep guessing.
...[text shortened]... is intentional. Are you afraid I will uncover the truth and discredit another one of your links?

What are you talking about? I already provided that link. So here is yet another one. You know about google, right? You make out like you are living in a cabin in the woods totally isolated from the world but the fact you are on this site belays that. I found this on google in about 1 minute. You just want to hide your head in the sand and hope the world recovers.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts-adaptation/alaska.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381218/Kivalina-Americas-climate-change-refugees-Hundreds-forced-flee-Alaskan-village-disappears-underwater-decade.html

Originally posted by sonhouse
What are you talking about? I already provided that link. So here is yet another one. You know about google, right? You make out like you are living in a cabin in the woods totally isolated from the world but the fact you are on this site belays that. I found this on google in about 1 minute. You just want to hide your head in the sand and hope the world re ...[text shortened]... s-climate-change-refugees-Hundreds-forced-flee-Alaskan-village-disappears-underwater-decade.html

It was very foolish to built a town on such a small island in the ocean, especially since storms are known to pound on islands like that. Here is an excerpt from the link below:

"Severe sea storms are nothing new to Kivalina and many Alaska coastal villages. For the third time in 10 years, however, local residents confronted the prospect of waves expected to reach 20-feet or more, pounding their eroding shoreline. Five years earlier, more than 200 residents voluntarily evacuated when they faced a similar storm. At the time, the village defenses consisted of a sea wall and sand bags. Incident commander Enoch Adams remembers the ocean rolling in 8- to 10-foot waves, with the biggest reaching, perhaps, 15 feet during the night. “Wind was blowing 40-50 mph which is pretty normal for fall storms,” he said."

http://www.uafjournalism.com/extreme/index.php/frozen-phenomena/kivalina-weathers-the-storm-but-for-how-long

Read the article in the link, especially the part that says "man made mistakes". It has nothing to do with global warming. Read it well.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
It was very foolish to built a town on such a small island in the ocean, especially since storms are known to pound on islands like that.

That may be true but it is also irrelevant since the point is is that it shows that global warming is already having a measurably harmful impact on many peoples lives.

Originally posted by humy
That may be true but it is also irrelevant since the point is is that it shows that global warming is already having a measurably harmful impact on many peoples lives.

You didn't read the part about man made mistakes.

http://www.uafjournalism.com/extreme/index.php/frozen-phenomena/kivalina-weathers-the-storm-but-for-how-long

Here is an excerpt from the link above:

"In Kivalina, man’s hand also contributed to the erosion. In August of 2004, construction was undergoing for a new drain field for the City of Kivalina’s Washeteria, a place to wash clothes and shower. Beach gravel was used as landfill for the drain field. One construction worker warned the community that if they took the gravel, Kivalina would be in danger of erosion. His plea went unnoticed, and the project continued. “An employee informs them that it is not a good idea and that it would cause erosion. The crew does nothing with that information and continues with the work,” notes a timeline posted on the City of Kivalina website. A couple months later, during the annual fall storms, the town experienced severe beach erosion. Ever since, the damage has steadily worsened.

That same year, erosion was the result when a fall storm hit, causing water to rise, and sending waves flooding over the bank filling Kivalina streets with water. Since there wasn’t any protection on the beach, volunteers filled sand bags and placed them on the eroding beach.

“The beach erosion has been gradual over the years, but it was accelerated by construction in 2004,” said local resident Janet Mitchell.

That year, Kivalina, which is located within feet of its beaches, had lost up to 70 feet in the area where the gravel was taken for the drain field. Volunteers placed 55-gallon barrels filled with gravel under the houses that were vulnerable.

A sea wall, built in 2006 by the Northwest Arctic Borough, failed to protect the beach. The seawall material, called HESCO containers, is an erosion control product that has been used successfully in other parts of the state.

That October, another storm hit. Since the sea wall failed to help the beach from eroding, metal sheets were situated, and even half of a DC-3 airplane was tried in hopes of saving the beach distress. All methods failed.

Some people wondered why the wall failed, but the locals knew why. “To fill the HESCO baskets, despite the warnings from the local residents and a few employees that were hired, the Drake Construction crew were told to extract gravel from the beach directly in front of the AVEC fuel tank farm to use as part of the fill. During the process, they were told by some workers that it would cause serious erosion to the bank but their words went unheeded and work continued," the City of Kivalina website noted."

Originally posted by Metal Brain
You didn't read the part about man made mistakes.

http://www.uafjournalism.com/extreme/index.php/frozen-phenomena/kivalina-weathers-the-storm-but-for-how-long

Here is an excerpt from the link above:

"In Kivalina, man’s hand also contributed to the erosion. In August of 2004, construction was undergoing for a new drain field for the City of Kiva ...[text shortened]... the bank but their words went unheeded and work continued," the City of Kivalina website noted."

Did you also read the part where they have been there for over 100 years?

Of course it is a low lying island but they are feeling the brunt of climate change happening before their eyes.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Did you also read the part where they have been there for over 100 years?

Of course it is a low lying island but they are feeling the brunt of climate change happening before their eyes.

It is an extremely small island. I'm not surprised they are having problems because of that.

Why don't you just inform us of how much ocean levels are rising per year on average? Your Alaskan island is not the best example.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
It is an extremely small island. I'm not surprised they are having problems because of that.

Why don't you just inform us of how much ocean levels are rising per year on average? Your Alaskan island is not the best example.

You mean you are basing all your so-called arguments not even knowing the rate of sea rise? In this day and age of Google, Bing, Yahoo and so forth? I don't believe you don't know those figures. I think you are just having fun being devils advocate and watching us fume.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You mean you are basing all your so-called arguments not even knowing the rate of sea rise? In this day and age of Google, Bing, Yahoo and so forth? I don't believe you don't know those figures. I think you are just having fun being devils advocate and watching us fume.

I'm saying bring me better evidence. I doubt ocean levels are rising at a rate that is forcing people to move. I don't hear about it on the news and they are biased in your favor. If it were true they would have been on that like wolves on raw meat.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
I'm saying bring me better evidence. I doubt ocean levels are rising at a rate that is forcing people to move. I don't hear about it on the news and they are biased in your favor. If it were true they would have been on that like wolves on raw meat.

It wouldn't matter WHAT evidence I brought you would poo poo it. Google the stuff yourself, I am not your personal librarian.

Originally posted by sonhouse
It wouldn't matter WHAT evidence I brought you would poo poo it. Google the stuff yourself, I am not your personal librarian.

There is a lot to poo poo about.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/

14 cm per century amounts to very little per year. Nobody is losing their homes from it. You have been duped by propaganda.