09 Nov 22
@venda saidThey weren't, some people feel more comfortable with things like gods and pre-destiny if you say leave the house because your least favourite cousin is dropping by that’s not fate it’s just the result of a decision you made based on your feelings for your cousin and if you pop into a pub while your out and meet your one true love that’s just random chance, if you went into the next pub you may have met another one true love.
Looking back,I can think of numerous decisions and events that changed my life forever.
I can't believe they were all inevitable
09 Nov 22
@sonhouse saidI don't really follow the time hack argument but I suspect you are saying that similarly there is no way to prove, or disprove the concept of a god.
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My guess is those theorists are making the case that all the events in the universe, an asteroid hitting Earth killing dino's, the Vesuvius eruption and the like, are like stills on a movie where each 'still' is some coordinate system where each time hack is quantized, each time hack being something like 10 to the minus 33 seconds per hack as just an example and each ...[text shortened]... y can point to as a way to prove or disprove that concept. I think it fails the falsifiability test.
@venda saidDepends on what kind of god you're talking about. And anyway many gods could, when cornered, be whisked away to a supernatural realm which is, by definition, a realm beyond the ken of our present-day science.
I don't really follow the time hack argument but I suspect you are saying that similarly there is no way to prove, or disprove the concept of a god.
The notion of an omniscient god, on the other hand, may be de facto disproved by the mathematical theorems of Kurt Gödel.
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11 Nov 22
@soothfast saidNice!
Depends on what kind of god you're talking about. And anyway many gods could, when cornered, be whisked away to a supernatural realm which is, by definition, a realm beyond the ken of our present-day science.
The notion of an omniscient god, on the other hand, may be de facto disproved by the mathematical theorems of Kurt Gödel.
11 Nov 22
@mlb62 saidI like this thread. I am glad you created it. Perhaps I have a hard time accepting my choices don't matter, but I if I accepted fate I would have to accept suicide help lines don't save lives. Seat belt laws save lives so they say. Seat belt laws would have to be fate too. What if I rebelled and stopped wearing my seat belt all because you created this thread? If that is not really a free will decision I make you creating this thread would have to be fate too, unless it is fate I don't get into an automobile accident.
https://www.grunge.com/731050/why-the-past-present-and-future-may-exist-all-at-once/
So now I have come full circle. Is it pointless to wear a seat belt because it will not change fate? If some philanthropist is funding a suicide help line is he/she wasting their money or is that fate too? Better hope they don't read this thread and stop funding help lines or is it fate they don't read this?
Choices are supposed to matter. We have been taught that our whole lives. What if sh76 reads this and decides not to encourage his son to go to college? Is that fate too? It is not easy to accept decisions are not really free will decisions.
11 Nov 22
@metal-brain saidSomewhat off topic.
I like this thread. I am glad you created it. Perhaps I have a hard time accepting my choices don't matter, but I if I accepted fate I would have to accept suicide help lines don't save lives. Seat belt laws save lives so they say. Seat belt laws would have to be fate too. What if I rebelled and stopped wearing my seat belt all because you created this thread? If that is ...[text shortened]... to college? Is that fate too? It is not easy to accept decisions are not really free will decisions.
We were told in Naples that Italian drivers there hate wearing seat belts.
The police started a campaign of pulling over drivers seen not to be wearing a seat belt and issuing spot fines.
There came on sale shortly afterwards "t" shirts with a black diagonal stripe across
03 Dec 22
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I thought you might find this interesting. Yuval Noah Harari, author of 21 Lessons for the 21st Century (September 2018) tells us in an essay in The Guardian on why free will is a dangerous myth in modern technological society.
https://mindmatters.ai/2018/10/is-free-will-a-dangerous-myth/