gravitons

Originally posted by @sonhouse
"There is a curve'' is not an argument favoring your theory. For one thing, for a theory to be validated, you need to produce predictions that would be different from GR. What are your predictions in this area? So far you have shown nothing more than an opinion.

Nobody has established time dilation is scalar. Seems like it is an empty assertion.

Producing predictions with time dilation would be very difficult because of all of the movement factors that also cause time dilation. I'd have to calculate the rotation of the earth at the 45th parallel where I am at right now, then the earth speeding around the sun, the movement of the sun in our galaxy and even the galaxy moving through space. Then you have the background dependence problem. How do you determine what is moving at what speed when everything is moving relative to one another?
Even if my theory is right it is almost impossible to prove with mathematics at this time. For that reason I think you are holding me to a very unfair standard.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Nobody has established time dilation is scalar. Seems like it is an empty assertion.

Producing predictions with time dilation would be very difficult because of all of the movement factors that also cause time dilation. I'd have to calculate the rotation of the earth at the 45th parallel where I am at right now, then the earth speeding around the sun ...[text shortened]... mathematics at this time. For that reason I think you are holding me to a very unfair standard.

Do you mainly enjoy going against the grain, giving you a much needed ego boost? You do not possess a Phd in physics or cosmology so all you can do is talk up your mentors who also go against the grain, meanwhile the planet gets steadily worse in terms of genetic pool diversity with species after species going extinct. Nice argument you have going for you. I guess you view things like god, who myth says destroyed all life forms living on earth to get back at some nasty humans.

But hey that is your thing.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Do you mainly enjoy going against the grain, giving you a much needed ego boost? You do not possess a Phd in physics or cosmology so all you can do is talk up your mentors who also go against the grain, meanwhile the planet gets steadily worse in terms of genetic pool diversity with species after species going extinct. Nice argument you have going for you. ...[text shortened]... all life forms living on earth to get back at some nasty humans.

But hey that is your thing.

All you can be is a naysayer. You can't use facts to make your case so you pull a humy and play the credentials card. All because you can't get the best of me in the AGW debate, a completely different issue.
You have a chip on your shoulder over that unrelated issue so you went to attack mode for emotional reasons. All I did was defend my position as everyone does.
Did you expect me to roll over and let you get the best of me? You know me better than that. Next time you play the credentials card ask yourself if that has any merit in the discussion at all. You resort to that because like humy that is all you can grasp onto. After all, your last post has nothing to do with the issue. Just a personal attack and nothing else. Meanwhile you show your extremist view just like wildgrass.

Species after species going extinct has nothing to do with AGW. Why are you regressing into more stupidity? Have you learned nothing?

Originally posted by @metal-brain
All you can be is a naysayer. You can't use facts to make your case so you pull a humy and play the credentials card. All because you can't get the best of me in the AGW debate, a completely different issue.
You have a chip on your shoulder over that unrelated issue so you went to attack mode for emotional reasons. All I did was defend my position as ...[text shortened]... as nothing to do with AGW. Why are you regressing into more stupidity? Have you learned nothing?

You seriously think there is no link between the deterioration of climate and species extinctions? I gather you figure what is happening with client is not a deterioration but a mere blip that will fix itself in a hundred years.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
You seriously think there is no link between the deterioration of climate and species extinctions? I gather you figure what is happening with client is not a deterioration but a mere blip that will fix itself in a hundred years.

Name one species that went extinct because of climate change alone in the last 100 years.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Name one species that went extinct because of climate change alone in the last 100 years.

just two of the examples;
1, Orange-spotted filefish.
2, Golden toad.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140331-global-warming-climate-change-ipcc-animals-science-environment/

and this is not to mention the many species that will go extinct if we do nothing to stop what we are doing.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Nobody has established time dilation is scalar.

In your own words only, explain exactly what do you mean by "time dilation" being "scalar"?
The reason why I ask is because the odd way you have repeatedly using the word "scalar" seems to indicate to me you have somehow completely misunderstood its meaning in physics. That is why I pointed out to you in a previous post in this thread that "The word 'scalar' in physics usually means a quantity that can be described by a single real number representing magnitude but without reference to direction (else it is a 'vector' )". This is what I learned at university so I am NOT just making this up. If you say or think I am, just check the facts for yourself right here →

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-1/Scalars-and-Vectors

Originally posted by @humy
In your own words only, explain exactly what do you mean by "time dilation" being "scalar"?
The reason why I ask is because the odd way you have repeatedly using the word "scalar" seems to indicate to me you have somehow completely misunderstood its meaning in physics. That is why I pointed out to you in a previous post in this thread that "The word 'scalar' ...[text shortened]... ourself right here →

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-1/Scalars-and-Vectors

Ask Deep thought. He said it not me.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
Ask Deep thought. He said it not me.

exactly in which post did he say "Nobody has established time dilation is scalar" and, without copy and paste, exactly what do YOU personally mean by "time dilation is scalar"?

Originally posted by @humy
just two of the examples;
1, Orange-spotted filefish.
2, Golden toad.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140331-global-warming-climate-change-ipcc-animals-science-environment/

and this is not to mention the many species that will go extinct if we do nothing to stop what we are doing.

The Orange Spotted Filefish is not extinct if you can buy it.

https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-orange-spotted-filefish

There is no evidence the Golden Toad went extinct because of global warming.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/03/global-warming-didnt-kill-golden-toad

Originally posted by @humy
exactly in which post did he say "Nobody has established time dilation is scalar" and exactly what do YOU personally mean by "time dilation is scalar"?

He brought it up, not me. I asked him to explain and he hasn't. I have no idea what he is talking about.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
The Orange Spotted Filefish is not extinct if you can buy it.

https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-orange-spotted-filefish

There is no evidence the Golden Toad went extinct because of global warming.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/03/global-warming-didnt-kill-golden-toad

The Orange Spotted Filefish is not extinct if you can buy it.

they are locally extinct if not globally extinct in the wild;
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2015/apr/30/animals-and-plants-that-could-be-lost-because-of-climate-change-in-pictures
"...
The species is now locally extinct around Japan following a coral bleaching event"

The Orange Spotted Filefish is not extinct if you can buy it.

https://www.saltwaterfish.com/product-orange-spotted-filefish

this just shows they are bread in captivity. What about in the wild?

There is no evidence the Golden Toad went extinct because of global warming.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/03/global-warming-didnt-kill-golden-toad

Oh dear, apparently you again don't bother to read your own links.
Read ALL that link including the last two paragraphs of that link please and see that it doesn't make any sense for yourself.
It says their theory is that it wasn't global warming but rather El Niño that caused the extinction. And yet there is evidence that global warming causes more El Niños so that makes no sense.
It then explains how, with the "(this) isotope method isn’t precise enough to measure" comment, the researcher's analysis was deeply flawed anyway.

So, to sum up, we still are left with evidence for global warming caused their extinction (via El Niños) and NO evidence that something other than global warming caused their extinction. Try again.

Originally posted by @metal-brain
He brought it up, not me. I asked him to explain and he hasn't. I have no idea what he is talking about.

so, when you asserted here that;

"Nobody has established time dilation is scalar"

You had no idea what that means because you thought he (DeepThought) said it (you still haven't shown where) but you had no idea what he was talking about.
You having no idea what your own assertion means is pretty much what I suspected (hence my questions) and yet you still asserted it just as if it was a fact that you understood. You also made many other assertions with the word 'scalar' in them (as your 'theories' ) and now I can only presume (from your last comment) you also have no idea what they mean. Do you think you should be making such assertions (and 'theories' ) when you have no idea what they mean?

Originally posted by @humy
so, when you asserted here that;

"Nobody has established time dilation is scalar"

You had no idea what that means because you thought he (DeepThought) said it (you still haven't shown where) but you had no idea what he was talking about.
You having no idea what your own assertion means is pretty much what I suspected (hence my questions) and yet ...[text shortened]... ink you should be making such assertions (and 'theories' ) when you have no idea what they mean?

I did say that time dilation is a scalar. I explained what I meant (described by a single number rather than needing several like a vector does) and why it means that it is difficult to build an account of curvature, a tensor quantity, based on it.

Originally posted by @deepthought
I did say that time dilation is a scalar.

That makes sense to me. Note he just said;
"Nobody has established time dilation is scalar."
and then, after I questioned what he meant by that, he said
"He brought it up, not me."
leaving be unsure whether he meant you said/implies "Nobody has established time dilation is scalar." or, what, exactly. He is very unclear.

I explained what I meant

That means when he said "I asked him to explain and he hasn't" he even got that wrong because you did explain.
It has become clear to me he doesn't know what he means by his own exertions (specifically those with the word 'scalar' in them) which makes me puzzled why he keeps making them and often.
Personally, whenever I don't understand something and currently don't wish to admit ignorance in particular, I would just stay completely silent on it rather than make assertions and 'theories' about it (like he has and still does) and thus make a complete fool of myself for nothing.
I say better and far more intelligent to have no opinion than one based on ignorance.