04 Jul 12
Originally posted by Thequ1ckMy hypothesis is you popped into our universe from another universe while you were sleeping and don't know it yet. Disprove it.
I'm serious. I'll even stake my life on it. But there's nothing I can write that will convince you.
My hypothesis is that the multiverse is a temporal loop.
Disprove if you can.
Originally posted by Thequ1ckthis is the greatest post i have ever read!
Are you saying that there are aspects of science that aren't disprobable?
I admit there's a lot of evidence to the contrary but the nature of science is that everything is disprovable.
That's why science is retrospective and antiquated. There I said it. Science hasn't got the kahoona's to carry us into the future.
Instead we're gonna let a bunch of ...[text shortened]... three letter word to be in charge.
I am proposing that we upgrade science to futurism.
Originally posted by humyEpic fail, its the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of
You simply couldn’t be more wrong.
Without science, we will have no future worthy of mention especially if we were to allow ignorance and religion to fill the gap left by having no science.
Without science, we will go back to the stone age. If you then put ignorance and religion in its place, it gets even worse.
Thanks to science, most of us live longer an ...[text shortened]... d many others a better future and that, without science, we would be without any realistic hope.
spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources,
lack of conscience with regard to the environment, etc etc, which has brought us to the
brink of disaster. Its the ultimate short-sightedness to claim anything to the contrary,
thats why materialism with its insistence on a scientific solution is a failure, a massive
failure. Thanks to science we now have super pathogens, immune to antibiotics. All
hail, the God of science!
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Epic fail, its the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of
spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources,
lack of conscience with regard to the environment, etc etc, which has brought us to the
brink of disaster. Its the ultimate short-sightedness to claim anything to the ...[text shortened]... to science we now have super pathogens, immune to antibiotics. All
hail, the God of science!
Epic fail, its the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of
spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources, lack of conscience with regard to the environment,
no, SHORT-TERMISM and lack of REASON and lack of COMPASSION is the cause of these things.
No religion is needed for reason and compassion and religion can even get in the way of reason and compassion because one absurd belief leads to other absurd beliefs -the Nazis, who were mainly theists, are a good example of that.
Besides, how is, for example, the discovery of penicillin, which, incidental, SAVED MY LIFE, could possibly be “the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources, lack of conscience with regard to the environment, ”? That is just all a totally absurd suggestion for you to make.
The bad use of science should not be confused with, as you doing here, science itself. Science can be just as easily be used for good as it can be used for harm but, without science, we would have significantly less opportunity to do good and no opportunity to give ourselves a future worthy of mention.
It is not the function of science to make us do what we SHOULD do; that is up to us. And science does not say “use science unwisely” 😛 Science just gives us choices we would not otherwise have and it is up to us to make the right choices and, if we make the wrong choice, that is OUR fault and NOT the fault of science.
Thanks to science we now have super pathogens, immune to antibiotics.
Wrong! Many new pathogens evolved via evolution so that is clearly not the fault of science but rather merely explained by science. Most of the evolved immunity to antibiotics has arisen from the unwise USE of antibiotics despite the warnings from science ( mainly in the form of discoveries of how things evolve ) so that isn't the fault of science either but rather, if anything, is as a result of people ignoring science.
Antibiotics have already saved about ~200 million lives and, despite the presence of antibiotic resistant pathogens, still do save many lives -if it was not for science, those lives will not have been saved. Explain how that is “...the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources, lack of conscience with regard to the environment,...”....
Also, as for antibiotic resistant pathogens, religion obviously will not get rid of them but only science has that potential by finding alternative to antibiotics such as phage medicine etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy
Originally posted by humyI guess he thinks science should have its own equivalent of a Rabbi to kosherize whatever scientific project is going on ATT.Epic fail, its the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of
spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources, lack of conscience with regard to the environment,
no, SHORT-TERMISM and lack of REASON and lack of COMPASSION is the cause of these things.
No religion is neede ernative to antibiotics such as phage medicine etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy
"I'm sorry my son, but Penicillin has not been sanctified so you gonna die. So sorry, but we can bless you so you will go to heaven'......
06 Jul 12
Originally posted by humythere is so much straw in your arguments i am thinking of buying a byre! First ofEpic fail, its the misapplication of science and technology, primarily because of a lack of
spirituality which has fomented greed, corruption, exploitation of natural resources, lack of conscience with regard to the environment,
no, SHORT-TERMISM and lack of REASON and lack of COMPASSION is the cause of these things.
No religion is neede ...[text shortened]... ernative to antibiotics such as phage medicine etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy
all, i said, a lack of spirituality, not religion, that you immediately attempt to equate
spirituality with religion is perhaps a reflection of your prejudice, how else are we to
account for it. Also i mentioned the advancements of medical science, no one is
saying that it has not advanced, but you are heralding it as some kind of salvation,
are you aware that despite the advancements in medical science infectious diseases
are spreading more rapidly than ever before according to the World health
organisation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1962876/
deforestation is continuing in an unprecedented way since the history of humanity,
http://www.ltu.se/cms_fs/1.5035!/deforestation%20-%20final.pdf
how is your hope in science going to stem this, do tell? and no more straw!
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there is so much straw in your arguments i am thinking of buying a byre! First of
all, i said, a lack of spirituality, not religion, that you immediately attempt to equate
spirituality with religion is perhaps a reflection of your prejudice, how else are we to
account for it. Also i mentioned the advancements of medical science, no one is
sa ...[text shortened]... %20-%20final.pdf
how is your hope in science going to stem this, do tell? and no more straw!
i said, a lack of spirituality, not religion,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
“...Whilst the terms spirituality and religion both relate to a search for an Absolute or God, and thus have much overlap, there are also characteristic differences in their usage. Religion implies a particular faith tradition that includes acceptance of a metaphysical or supernatural reality;[8]:22, whereas spirituality is not necessarily bound to any particular religious tradition. Thus William Irwin Thompson suggest that "religion is the form spirituality takes in a civilization."[12]
Those who speak of spirituality outside of religion often define themselves as "spiritual but not religious" and generally believe in the existence of different "spiritual paths," emphasizing the importance of finding one's own individual path to spirituality. According to one poll, about 24% of the United States population identifies itself as spiritual but not religious.[13]
...”
-BUT you ARE religious ( you DO believe in your religion, right? ) so OBVIOUSLY I took your meaning as involving religion. If that is wrong then you should have clarified.
Also i mentioned the advancements of medical science, no one is
saying that it has not advanced, but you are heralding it as some kind of salvation,
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/salvation
“...1.
a. Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil.
...”
how is using cures for deadly diseases thus saving millions of lives NOT this?
are you aware that despite the advancements in medical science infectious diseases
are spreading more rapidly than ever before according to the World health
organisation.
Yes. And that is the fault of science because....
Does science tell us we SHOULD use more international travel? or do we decide this ourselves?
deforestation is continuing in an unprecedented way since the history of humanity,
And that is the fault of science because....
WHO is cutting down the forests? Is it “science”? or is it just people and their machines? ( note science does not say how we SHOULD use those machines )
how is your hope in science going to stem this, do tell?
1, science will find new cures to diseases and eventually help eliminate all diseases.
2, science can and no doubt eventually will give us new synthetic materials that can replace wood AND be made sustainably.
Neither religion nor “spirituality” will gives us these scientific breakthroughs, only scientific method/reason.
07 Jul 12
Originally posted by humywhat an epic tome of a post, it was like a huge precipice of text, i felt i had to get outi said, a lack of spirituality, not religion,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
“...Whilst the terms spirituality and religion both relate to a search for an Absolute or God, and thus have much overlap, there are also characteristic differences in their usage. Religion implies a particular faith tradition that includes acceptance of ...[text shortened]... pirituality” will gives us these scientific breakthroughs, only scientific method/reason.
my ice axe and crampons, some climbing ropes and a mountaineering helmet to scale
its heights!
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07 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNonsense. Thanks to science, we have the antibiotics. Thanks to people like you who don't understand science but waffle on about it anyway, we have resistant pathogens. Don't blame science, which is about gaining knowledge, for the errors of the great and good public, which deals mainly in ignoring that knowledge and misapplying the results.
Thanks to science we now have super pathogens, immune to antibiotics.
You might also consider that you wouldn't have this forum to spout your bunkum on, if it weren't for science...
Richard
08 Jul 12
Originally posted by Shallow Bluedo you really want me to argue the immense damage that the net has done? shall
Nonsense. Thanks to science, we have the antibiotics. Thanks to people like you who don't understand science but waffle on about it anyway, we have resistant pathogens. Don't blame science, which is about gaining knowledge, for the errors of the great and good public, which deals mainly in ignoring that knowledge and misapplying the results.
You migh ...[text shortened]... ou wouldn't have this forum to spout your bunkum on, if it weren't for science...
Richard
we? the reliance upon technology and its inherent vulnerabilities, breeding new
avenues for criminals, shall we talk of the pornographers and those individuals who
are addicted to to viewing it as some kind of substitute for the real thing, shall we
talk of the grooming of vulnerable children by hideous paedophiles? shall we talk of
consumption of our time as we surf, half man half machine, borg like through the
cyber universe, neglecting other relationships in the process? shall we talk of those
individuals who cultivate extra marital affairs via the net, breaking up families in the
process? yes indeed, technology is a wonderful thing but the materialist is trying to
palm it off as a panacea for all, ignoring the reality and how it has fomented all
kinds of change, not all for the benefit of humankind. Thus it is with mere human
wisdom, imperfect and prone to aberration, heralded from the rooftops by short-
sighted technocrats like Humy with a religious fervour reminiscent of the zealots of
the reformation, smashing all inklings of spirituality in its wake, determined that we
shall worship at the feet of the God of science.
08 Jul 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
do you really want me to argue the immense damage that the net has done? shall
we? the reliance upon technology and its inherent vulnerabilities, breeding new
avenues for criminals, shall we talk of the pornographers and those individuals who
are addicted to to viewing it as some kind of substitute for the real thing, shall we
talk of the gr ...[text shortened]... spirituality in its wake, determined that we
shall worship at the feet of the God of science.
do you really want me to argue the immense damage that the net has done?
Any misuse of technology is OUR fault and not the fault of science.
If you are against the net and think/say it is wrong then isn't it hypocritical of you to use it for sending this post?
By using the net, you are actively supporting it.
the reliance upon technology and its inherent vulnerabilities,
-and we would be even more vulnerable without it.
For example, in the UK, there was a time when people died like flies of TB, polio, smallpox, bubonic plague, cholera etc. Thanks to science, that is no longer the case. There are still epidemics but that is DESPITE modern medicine and not because of it and science will one day find ways of stopping even those epidemics while religion/spirituality will not.
breeding new avenues for criminals
-and breeding new avenues for our salvation. Again, any misuse of technology is OUR fault and not the fault of science.
Also, science does not breed opportunist criminals, WE do.
Do you deny that science has given us modern medicines that have saved countless lives and that this is a good thing?
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08 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDon't bother. I've heard it all before. What luddite back-to-Abrahamic-times zealots like you always conveniently forget is that crime rates have gone down, yes down, in the time since the 'net was created. In fact, they've been steadily declining as our culture has become more advanced. That is not rhethoric; that is cold, hard, beautiful, and good data. Science, and the 'net, doesn't create crime: if you bothered to check the facts, you'd agree that it helps fight it.
do you really want me to argue the immense damage that the net has done?
People committing adultery over the 'net? Yeah, that crime didn't happen in the Middle Ages... ask Chaucer's Wife of Bath!
Richard
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Originally posted by Shallow Blueluddite? haha, thats funny, no one is denying the practical benefits of technology, but
Don't bother. I've heard it all before. What luddite back-to-Abrahamic-times zealots like you always conveniently forget is that crime rates have gone down, yes down, in the time since the 'net was created. In fact, they've been steadily declining as our culture has become more advanced. That is not rhethoric; that is cold, hard, beautiful, and g that crime didn't happen in the Middle Ages... ask Chaucer's Wife of Bath!
Richard
you technophiles will be called out time and again for your one dimensional
perspective, the French call the bishop, 'the fool', because he only travels on a single
colour complex, unable to see anything other than his own perspective, let it serve as a
lesson to you technocrats! The God of science is dead!