25 Mar 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraSure, you'll use them, but not very much. The amount of money you save each year isn't going to be much if you just turn off your lights when not in use.
If you aren't going to use them, the most efficient solution is not to buy lamps.
But hey, perhaps you should have said that right off the bat instead of saying that what I said wasn't true.
25 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonhouseI like the 6400 Kelvin - that's right at the cool end - I think it is
What color temperature rating did you settle on? We have here in the US a franchise of stores called Batteries Plus Lights and they have all sorts of LED's and spiral bulbs, the spirals have as much as 3500 lumens! And they have a color temperature display showing how light of various temperatures effect the colors of things in a room.
What is your favor ...[text shortened]... D bandwagon when the price gets to about 10% of what they are now, which is around $50 per bulb.
closest to natural light - the rest of the house is the halogen
energy savers (spiral type).
GU10 led bulbs are NZ$20 ... a big drop in price.
Same size/output halogens are about NZ$8
25 Mar 14
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Originally posted by EladarBack of an envelope calculation shows that I'll save about 600kWhours
Sure, you'll use them, but not very much. The amount of money you save each year isn't going to be much if you just turn off your lights when not in use.
But hey, perhaps you should have said that right off the bat instead of saying that what I said wasn't true.
of electricity in the kitchen per year. At 25c a unit that's $150. They
cost me $180. So my break even is in about a year.
But the quality of light is so much better!
And better for the environment - the led bulbs are easier to recycle.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59How many watts of light are you using in that kitchen? How many hours do you have your kitchen lights on during an average day?
Back of an envelope calculation shows that I'll save about 600kWhours
of electricity in the kitchen per year. At 25c a unit that's $150. They
cost me $180. So my break even is in about a year.
But the quality of light is so much better!
And better for the environment - the led bulbs are easier to recycle.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by Eladar10c per kWh is so cheap! No wonder you have less incentive to save energy!
My rate is much lower than yours I'm sure. I think I'm paying more like 10 cents per kwh. I use about 300 watts max in my kitchen. I don't live so far north, so I use my kitchen lights for much less time than you.
26 Mar 14
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Isn't it terrible? In the US many common people own cars and use them because our gas is also so cheap. Yep, it is terrible that so many common people get to experience for themselves what only the rich people get to experience in Europe.
10c per kWh is so cheap! No wonder you have less incentive to save energy!
In the US you can buy a dollar's worth of light bulbs and still be able to afford to use them.
26 Mar 14
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Originally posted by EladarThe implied issue he raised here was not who should be able to afford to experience using large amounts of energy themselves but rather the relatively unrelated issue of the lack of financial incentive to save energy when that energy is made cheap.
Isn't it terrible? In the US many common people own cars and use them because our gas is also so cheap. Yep, it is terrible that so many common people get to experience for themselves what only the rich people get to experience in Europe.
In the US you can buy a dollar's worth of light bulbs and still be able to afford to use them.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by EladarI've been quoting NZ$ rates and you think I live in Europe?
Isn't it terrible? In the US many common people own cars and use them because our gas is also so cheap. Yep, it is terrible that so many common people get to experience for themselves what only the rich people get to experience in Europe.
In the US you can buy a dollar's worth of light bulbs and still be able to afford to use them.
Better brush up on your geography! 😉
I think our power is expensive because of artificial subsidy that
was given to Aluminium industry. The collapse in Aluminium
prices has cost New Zealander house-holders.
Anyway - from what Sonhouse said, led bulbs are more expensive in US.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59No problem. Same thing applies.
I've been quoting NZ$ rates and you think I live in Europe?
Better brush up on your geography! 😉
I think our power is expensive because of artificial subsidy that
was given to Aluminium industry. The collapse in Aluminium
prices has cost New Zealander house-holders.
Anyway - from what Sonhouse said, led bulbs are more expensive in US.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by humyFinancial incentive is only for those who need to worry about finances. If you are rich enough, who cares? It is only the poor and average person who has his energy usage decreased by expensive energy.
The implied issue he raised here was not who should be able to afford to experience using large amounts of energy themselves but rather the relatively unrelated issue of the lack of financial incentive to save energy when that energy is made cheap.
26 Mar 14
Originally posted by Eladar
Financial incentive is only for those who need to worry about finances. If you are rich enough, who cares? It is only the poor and average person who has his energy usage decreased by expensive energy.
Financial incentive is only for those who need to worry about finances.
...which is the majority.