22 Jun 14
Originally posted by sonhouseor even perhaps some DID explode a dirty bomb but it was so ineffective that nobody noticed it was 'dirty'?
Lets hope you are right. One argument in your favor, it hasn't happened in in the 25 years since the end of the Soviet Empire and a LOT of material was lost and for sure is in the hands of terrorists but perhaps they concluded it wasn't effective enough.
22 Jun 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadEach group has an internal ideology and relies on supporters. If an Islamic group detonated such a bomb then they would kill Muslims in the process, this presents a problem for their internal ideology and could lose them support. Whether they'd think of that in the build up is another thing.
Maybe they do, but it doesn't serve their purpose. But then not much of what terrorists do makes sense.
22 Jun 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtDidn't seem to matter that they killed 300 Muslims during the 911 attack.
Each group has an internal ideology and relies on supporters. If an Islamic group detonated such a bomb then they would kill Muslims in the process, this presents a problem for their internal ideology and could lose them support. Whether they'd think of that in the build up is another thing.
22 Jun 14
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Originally posted by twhitehead
Maybe they do, but it doesn't serve their purpose. But then not much of what terrorists do makes sense.
But then not much of what terrorists do makes sense.
That is certainly true. That's because most are rather religious which means they are delusional and I would guess most of the few that are not religious are probably very irrational in some other way anyway because, apart from it being evil, I don't see much sense in terrorism.
23 Jun 14
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Originally posted by twhiteheadDid you hear of any actual backlash? I didn't. Of course I don't hear much from the Muslim world but it seemed to me not much was made of that fact.
I am sure it did matter and that there was significant backlash in the Muslim world as a result.
It might just be journalistic bias but I put that question to google and all I got were anti-Muslim stories of general backlash against Muslims, not a single story about Muslim backlash against the 911 attackers.
23 Jun 14
Originally posted by sonhouseAs you point out, you don't hear much Muslim news. Also you misunderstand what I mean by backlash. I am not saying you should expect news stories labelled 'backlash against hijackers due to Muslims killed during 9/11'. I am saying the number of Muslims that supported the hijackers and their leaders was probably significantly lower as a result of Muslims being killed in the 9/11 event.
Did you hear of any actual backlash? I didn't. Of course I don't hear much from the Muslim world but it seemed to me not much was made of that fact.
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24 Jun 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadThis story seemed relevant to the point you were making and reinforces your view.
As you point out, you don't hear much Muslim news. Also you misunderstand what I mean by backlash. I am not saying you should expect news stories labelled 'backlash against hijackers due to Muslims killed during 9/11'. I am saying the number of Muslims that supported the hijackers and their leaders was probably significantly lower as a result of Muslims being killed in the 9/11 event.
Apparently even Bin Laden decided that killing civilians, let alone fellow Muslims, was
a generally bad idea.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/06/osama_bin_laden_s_seven_rules_for_terrorists_isis_will_regret_not_following.html
The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria is scaring the hell out of everyone. It has infested Syria, overrun Iraq, alarmed Iran, and convinced U.S. politicians it’s the most dangerous terrorist organization ever. But frightening everyone isn’t a long-term growth strategy. ISIS is destroying itself.
Al-Qaida, the organization from which ISIS recently split, understands this truth. For years, Osama Bin Laden and his lieutenants tried to explain to their affiliates the folly of unchecked brutality. In letters and directives captured in the 2011 raid on his compound, Bin Laden stressed the importance of patience, discretion, and public opinion. His advice, boiled down to seven rules, forms a clear outline of ISIS’s mistakes. .....
25 Jun 14
Originally posted by googlefudgeISIS doesn't seem to be taking any of that advice against brutality, you can see that in the news where they are almost at Baghdad and the brutality they have displayed is horrendous, like the killing of those soldiers put in a ditch and summarily executed by machine guns to defenseless men.
This story seemed relevant to the point you were making and reinforces your view.
Apparently even Bin Laden decided that killing civilians, let alone fellow Muslims, was
a generally bad idea.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/06/osama_bin_laden_s_seven_rules_for_terrorists_isis_will_regret_not_following.html
[quot ...[text shortened]... His advice, boiled down to seven rules, forms a clear outline of ISIS’s mistakes. .....[/quote]