The morality of science.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the old Spartans used to leave you on the hillside to die!

And the Jews prefered genocide. Which they excused by claiming their God told them to do it.

Originally posted by twhitehead
And the Jews prefered genocide. Which they excused by claiming their God told them to do it.

and your point is? on top of your head? 😵

Originally posted by humy

If there is no God, there is no evil.

An obviously false inference; why so? In what sense would there be no evil without a God? Evidence of evil includes the Nazi and those behind 9/11 -both groups were theists, NOT atheists. Certainly this is proof that believing that there is a God doesn't stop you being evil. How there being no God change the fact that they were evil and did evil acts?

Scientifically speaking, what is evil?

Originally posted by twhitehead
And Hitler and his gang were Christian by the way.

Yep, Hitler was all about conquering the world for Jesus.

Originally posted by whodey
Scientifically speaking, what is evil?

neither good or evil is defined by science. Not sure what that has to do with anything here. Good and evil is implicitly defined by our intuitive sense of morality, compassion and sense of fairness which are somewhat subjective things and thus, not surprisingly, has no agreed formal scientific definition because it cannot be determined by deductive logic. Because it is neither logical nor illogical but rather alogical and somewhat subjective, it cannot readily be defined scientifically.

Originally posted by whodey
Yep, Hitler was all about conquering the world for Jesus.

we may never know for sure but, purely within his delusional mind, quite possibly close enough! He was a devout catholic (and was baptized ) who, in his delusional mind, thought God was on the side of the German people and that God guided evolution to create the 'superior' race (his own kind, of course! ) and that he was doing God's will to eradicate (murder ) 'inferior' races. Basically, he was a delusional evil religious nut that thought he was doing God's work by sanctioning mass murder.

He was a theist that truly hated atheism. If you don't believe me, see:


http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/tp/HitlerNazisAtheismSecularism.htm

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.

- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0835Hitler.php
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all the Nazi leaders were born, baptized, and raised Christian, mainly in authoritarian, pious households where tolerance and democratic values were not valued. Catholic Nazis, besides Hitler, included Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, and Joseph Goebbels. Hermann Goering had mixed Catholic-Protestant parentage, while Rudolf Hess, Martin Bormann, Albert Speer, and Adolf Eichmann had Protestant backgrounds. Roughly two-thirds of German Christians repeatedly voted for candidates who promised to overthrow democracy. Protestants had given the Nazi party its main backing leading up to 1933. Evangelical youth was especially pro-Nazi. 90 percent of Protestant university theologians supported the Nazis. Christians were Nazis and took part in Nazi atrocities. Any who turned to outright criticism of fascism made their last appeals from the death cell.
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-all this being well known, undisputed and documented historical events.

also, note that Hitler was a Creationist:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/08/28/hitler-the-creationist/

Obviously, you cannot be both an atheist and a Creationist!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Now isn’t that just interesting, ol Darwin there talking of the Nazi euthanasia program for expunging the 'weak' elements from our genetic pool! He wasn’t the first! the old Spartans used to leave you on the hillside to die!

Do you have a reference for Darwin advocating a eugenics programme?

The Spartans were not unique in that respect, exposing malformed babies was ubiquitous in the ancient world. I think it was the Romans who said that babies with cleft palates were cursed by the Gods.

Originally posted by humy
neither good or evil is defined by science. Not sure what that has to do with anything here. Good and evil is implicitly defined by our intuitive sense of morality, compassion and sense of fairness which are somewhat subjective things and thus, not surprisingly, has no agreed formal scientific definition because it cannot be determined by deductive logic. Becau ...[text shortened]... ogical but rather alogical and somewhat subjective, it cannot readily be defined scientifically.

Yes. So are you saying that something is beyond the realm of science?

If so, how do we study it?

Originally posted by humy
we may never know for sure but, purely within his delusional mind, quite possibly close enough! He was a devout catholic (and was baptized ) who, in his delusional mind, thought God was on the side of the German people and that God guided evolution to create the 'superior' race (his own kind, of course! ) and that he was doing God's will to eradicate (murder ) ...[text shortened]... 006/08/28/hitler-the-creationist/

Obviously, you cannot be both an atheist and a Creationist!

Do you think Hitler just forgot to turn the other cheek and love his enemies or was he just a retard?

Originally posted by whodey
Yes. So are you saying that something is beyond the realm of science?

If so, how do we study it?

something is beyond the realm of science?

of course!
As far as I am aware, nobody here or who I know about has ever claimed nor thinks that literally everything is in the realm of science.

If so, how do we study it?

Generally, we can't or at least not scientifically.

Originally posted by whodey
Do you think Hitler just forgot to turn the other cheek and love his enemies or was he just a retard?

He was not retarded but was both delusional and evil and would have either made a warped interpretation of or simply ignored those parts of the Bible that would seem at odds with Nazism such as “turn the other cheek” ( ~words of that effect ) . Perhaps these particular Christians interpreted “turn the other cheek” as, if someone offers you the other cheek, you should use the opportunity to slap the other check? 😕 Who knows how the delusional theist minds deals with such logical inconsistencies other than those theists.

It is quite typical of theists to give whatever interpretation of their religious scriptures they want no matter how much of a warped interpretation that means making thus rendering whatever their scriptures say, in purely practical terms, meaningless. If their religious scriptures clearly says X and they don't like X, they either simply convince themselves that it somehow, by warped logic, says not-X, or simply ignore it. Theists seem to be generally less incline to worry about such contradictions in their belief system and generally just ignore such contradictions.

Originally posted by humy
He was not retarded but was both delusional and evil and would have either made a warped interpretation of or simply ignored those parts of the Bible that would seem at odds with Nazism such as “turn the other cheek” ( ~words of that effect ) . Perhaps these particular Christians interpreted “turn the other cheek” as, if someone offers you the other cheek, you ...[text shortened]... about such contradictions in their belief system and generally just ignore such contradictions.

Do you think Jesus was one such warped individual?

Originally posted by whodey
Do you think Jesus was one such warped individual?

No

Originally posted by humy
No

That much we can agree on.

Originally posted by whodey
That much we can agree on.

I disagree, but this is not the place to discuss it. If you want to know more, we can take it to spirituality.