What does equal mean

Originally posted by @eladar
The topic is what equal means in math. All the different things that it can mean and how it is viewed by people.

If you have a better example of how equal is used to imply different things, that would be great. If you want to belabor minutia, then that's your folly.

Although yes, not apple is exactly the same as another, there are apples so similar that people would not be able to tell them apart.

If you think two things are alike and therefore they are equal, then we are not talking about math.
Are we talking about math? Then you are wrong.

In everyday life, two cars are the same as long they have four wheels.
But this is math. Then equal is equal. And if they are not equal, they are just not equal.

There are not two apples that are equal in math. In everyday life they are all alike, more or less. But not in math.

So are we talking about math or everyday life?

An correct answer for you is: "Yes, of course you're right an I'm wrong. I wasn't clear. Let me start all over again." That's enough, and we take it from there.
But if you say: "I'm never wrong and you're a jerk", then I draw the conclusion that you are not honest, you are a teen, you have a diagnose, you are just stubborn, you are weak, or something else. But you will not have my respect. Do you care?

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
If you think two things are alike and therefore they are equal, then we are not talking about math.
Are we talking about math? Then you are wrong.

In everyday life, two cars are the same as long they have four wheels.
But this is math. Then equal is equal. And if they are not equal, they are just not equal.

There are not two apples that are equal ...[text shortened]... e just stubborn, you are weak, or something else. But you will not have my respect. Do you care?

Perspective on Math evolves over time. Faulty assumptions are many timrs based on what we learn early on.

Humy is an example of yhe kind of person I am talking about.

Perhaps you are incapable of looking at math from anything other than your perspective.

Originally posted by @eladar
Perspective on Math evolves over time. Faulty assumptions are many timrs based on what we learn early on.

Humy is an example of yhe kind of person I am talking about.

Perhaps you are incapable of looking at math from anything other than your perspective.

And again you are shifting from what we discuss to a completely other thing. Do you get it? You are very hard to have a serious discussion with. Why is that?

So you don't like humy? I say humy deserves why more respect that you do. Did you see how freely he admitted that he was wrong, corrected himself, and continued to discuss the matter with the new information at hand. He is worth all respect.

If you don't like humy show us more about you than him.

Just admit that there are every apple is unique from every other apple, just say that you're wrong, and then we can go further in the interesting topic you yourself put up in this thread - how to define 'equal' mathematically.

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
And again you are shifting from what we discuss to a completely other thing. Do you get it? You are very hard to have a serious discussion with. Why is that?

So you don't like humy? I say humy deserves why more respect that you do. Did you see how freely he admitted that he was wrong, corrected himself, and continued to discuss the matter with the new ...[text shortened]... the interesting topic you yourself put up in this thread - how to define 'equal' mathematically.

You mean I shift back to the topic of the thread?

What is it about you that you find it so impossible to understand that the person who started the thread would actually like to discuss the thread's topic?

Originally posted by @eladar
You mean I shift back to the topic of the thread?

What is it about you that you find it so impossible to understand that the person who started the thread would actually like to discuss the thread's topic?

You cannot base a reasoning by a false premise. Then you are bound to fail.
When someone find that fault, then you have to correct it, and not getting stuck with it.
You called me jerk once. That's the point when you lost it altogether. Never deliver an insult, ever!

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
You cannot base a reasoning by a false premise. Then you are bound to fail.
When someone find that fault, then you have to correct it, and not getting stuck with it.
You called me jerk once. That's the point when you lost it altogether. Never deliver an insult, ever!

False premise?

So humy did not make a false assumption based on a faulty understanding of equal?

People do not make faulty assumptions when they believe the square root of x squared is x?

By the way, you are a jerk, or perhaps arrogant self righteous arse would be a better description.

Originally posted by @eladar
False premise?

So humy did not make a false assumption based on a faulty understanding of equal?

People do not make faulty assumptions when they believe the square root of x squared is x?

By the way, you are a jerk, or perhaps arrogant self righteous arse would be a better description.

The fault was yours, using apples as they are all alike and equal.
Humy is way smarter than you are. If one of you two is wrong, then it is you.
Sorry, but you asked...

Bad that an interesting topic like this is so utterly destroyed by its owner...

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
The fault was yours, using apples as they are all alike and equal.
Humy is way smarter than you are. If one of you two is wrong, then it is you.
Sorry, but you asked...

Bad that an interesting topic like this is so utterly destroyed by its owner...

The fault is yours for trying to simply find fault with the example.

Only trying to find fault as a form of fun is one way one can be a jerk or arse.

Originally posted by @eladar
The fault is yours for trying to simply find fault with the example.

Only trying to find fault as a form of fun is one way one can be a jerk or arse.

When you start with an error and try to make a statement and conclusion on this error, then you will fail, exactly like you did.
You should be happy that people find the error in an early stage so you don't have to make a fool out of yourself.
Instead of admitting that you were wrong and start over again without the error, you tried to evade the error, lie about the error, and hope that people would look the other way. Then you failed gravely.

This is Science Forum. Go to Spiritual Forum, where noone agrees on anything, where errors in reasoning are permitted, where opinions are based on faith and don't have to be correct. That doesn't work in Science Forum where truths are hold higher.

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
When you start with an error and try to make a statement and conclusion on this error, then you will fail, exactly like you did.
You should be happy that people find the error in an early stage so you don't have to make a fool out of yourself.
Instead of admitting that you were wrong and start over again without the error, you tried to evade the error ...[text shortened]... h and don't have to be correct. That doesn't work in Science Forum where truths are hold higher.

If the topic of the topic of this thread is of interest, then talk about the subject.

Until you start doing that, you simply show yourself to be an arse.

Originally posted by @eladar
If the topic of the topic of this thread is of interest, then talk about the subject.

Until you start doing that, you simply show yourself to be an arse.

I think you have heard of the term Ad Hominem attack? Do you really think insults are going to help you win a debate? Ever? You don't help your cause when you stoop to insults.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
I think you have heard of the term Ad Hominem attack? Do you really think insults are going to help you win a debate? Ever? You don't help your cause when you stoop to insults.

He is the one who claims he finds humor in being disagreeable.

In any case, I think you should remove your nose from his buttocks.

Originally posted by @eladar
If the topic of the topic of this thread is of interest, then talk about the subject.

Until you start doing that, you simply show yourself to be an arse.

Your habit to deliver an insult is a sign of weakness from your side. That may have to do with your age or inexperience. Perhaps you have a diagnose that is showing as a symptom, I don't know.

But as I've said, over and over again, you cannot build any reasoning by starting out with an error. That will unconditionally fail. Your inability to take advises to correct this error shows very well that you don't master the subject.

Is math too hard for you?

Originally posted by @fabianfnas
Your habit to deliver an insult is a sign of weakness from your side. That may have to do with your age or inexperience. Perhaps you have a diagnose that is showing as a symptom, I don't know.

But as I've said, over and over again, you cannot build any reasoning by starting out with an error. That will unconditionally fail. Your inability to take advi ...[text shortened]... rrect this error shows very well that you don't master the subject.

Is math too hard for you?

Define the math.

Some math is too difficult, but others not. My level of math abilities and understanding far outstrips half the population. It far outstrips most high school math teachers, which is quite a shame.

My ability to communicate math outstrips most whose math abilities are equal or better than mine.

This is a shame as well.

Originally posted by @eladar
Define the math.

Some math is too difficult, but others not. My level of math abilities and understanding far outstrips half the population. It far outstrips most high school math teachers, which is quite a shame.

My ability to communicate math outstrips most whose math abilities are equal or better than mine.

This is a shame as well.

I don't really have to comment this posting of yours.
You obviously overestimate your qualifications in math.
Your condition is actually far worse than I expected.