10 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75Why do you demand an answer when you don't deliver answers yourself?
Uh...That's not an answer. Do you not have one?
I haven't heard a straight 'yes' or 'no' yet. The question was "Do I need to join the JWs to go to heaven?", remember?
10 Sep 10
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Originally posted by galveston75the question "Do I need to join the JWs to go to heaven? is so thoroughly deviod of reason as to deny belief.
I'm wondering how you might be applying this scripture to yourself? Do you have this quality?
first, one does not join Jehovahs witnesses, one qualifies by bringing ones life into harmony with our beliefs through study and application of scripture
second. who is to state that even if one did become accepted that they are to remain faithful during their tenure?
thirdly, its so completely ignorant of our beliefs, for we hold that only a few shall go to heaven when compared to the majority, who those few are, only God knows (as was pointed out on now numerous occasions)
fourthly, you have pointed out that salvation is dependent on numerous factors but they insist in imposing their black and white worlds on others (if only they would learn to reason with their own minds)
fifthly it is nothing more than a straw man argument, for they insist on assigning values to us that we do not profess, as if we can somehow guarantee someone's salvation.
All in all its one of the silliest questions ive ever heard.
10 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobiethirdly, its so completely ignorant of our beliefs, for we hold that only a few shall go to heaven when compared to the majority, who those few are, only God knows (as was pointed out on now numerous occasions)
the question "Do I need to join the JWs to go to heaven? is so thoroughly deviod of reason as to deny belief.
first, one does not join Jehovahs witnesses, one qualifies by bringing ones life into harmony with our beliefs through study and application of scripture
second. who is to state that even if one did become accepted that they are to r ...[text shortened]... reason with their own minds)
All in all its one of the silliest questions ive ever heard.
well that's just dishonest. do not the "chosen" accept the bread and wine in your organization?( the chosen being those selected for heaven), if what you say is true, then you are calling all those within your organization liars for only God knows yes?
fourthly, you have pointed out that salvation is dependent on numerous factors but they insist in imposing their black and white worlds on others (if only they would learn to reason with their own minds)
again dishonest. Our position seems to be far more nuanced while yours is a very black and white position. Having strict rigid rules from which one cannot deviate seems pretty black and white to me.
fifthly it is nothing more than a straw man argument, for they insist on assigning values to us that we do not profess, as if we can somehow guarantee someone's salvation
so seeking knowledge by asking questions is a straw man argument? or is it that anytime someone disagrees with you, and has a credible argument, that you employ the above dishonest doublespeak? no no RC I'm calling you out on this nonsense post of yours. G75 asked a stupid, insulting question in response to a very nice sentiment and neither of you can admit that he was wrong.
In fact the only truthful statement in your entire post is the very first sentiment, which by the way answers DG's question...yes you must join the JW's if you want to go to heaven.
you're better than this Robbie
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10 Sep 10
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Originally posted by duecerits nowhere near being dishonest and its nothing short of slander and defamation of character for you to say so, but hey, i realise that such tactics usually happen when one is devoid of reason, it becomes, well, rather predictable after a while.
[b]thirdly, its so completely ignorant of our beliefs, for we hold that only a few shall go to heaven when compared to the majority, who those few are, only God knows (as was pointed out on now numerous occasions)
well that's just dishonest. do not the "chosen" accept the bread and wine in your organization?( the chosen being those selected for heaven) t join the JW's if you want to go to heaven.
you're better than this Robbie
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firstly did not Galvo point out that God reveals through holy spirit whether a person is going to heaven or not? That is between God and the individual, therefore your rather sensational assertion that i would know whether a person is going to heaven or not is well, rather that, just plain ignorant for its between God and the individual, do you understand that, for God knows its been pointed out to you enough times.
your second piece of defamation and slander again is a nonsense, why? because Galvo tried, as per the teaching manner of the Christ to provide scriptural evidence so that the recipient could draw their own conclusions, but it was not good enough for the borgs of the forum, unable to do so, they insisted on a black and white answer and continue to do so, perhaps if you and they had actually tried to engage your powers of reason, instead of insisting on ones and zeros, you could have reached your own conclusion based on scripture, but nooooooo, the whole process was wasted on you.
lastly its more straw man than the straw man from the wizard of Oz living in the first little pigs house for it is a question based on trying to assign to us values that we do not have, as i have already pointed out, to you and to others we are not in the habit of guaranteeing anyone's salvation, including our own, that is why it is so thoroughly stupid.
Next time you resort to slander and defamation of character as the last respite of the desperate, make sure you have at least something of substance to say rather than these easily refutable ad hominem attacks, cause i tell you truly, they simply don't wash.
if the Op had really been interested in reason, he would not have insisted on a black and white answer, but he betrayed, in his question, that he was not interested in reason, therefore clearly it was not an honest enquiry. Had he stated, what do you believe leads to salvation, or what do i do in order to be saved , questions which ask for reason, then that would have been fine, but noooooooo, he was not interested in reason, and still is not interested in reason, and therefore your assertions of honest inquiry are just nonsense.
Galvo has been neither insulting nor evasive, the only insulting thing here was that silly question to our intelligence.
10 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieblah blah blah. I call you out for being dishonest ( and I'm right) and you retreat to your fallback position of yelling "slander" and "persecution". Sorry RC this argument is over, I've already won, it just hasn't sank in for you yet
its nowhere near being dishonest and its nothing short of slander and defamation of character for you to say so, but hey, i realise that such tactics usually happen when one is devoid of reason, it becomes, well, rather predictable after a while.
firstly did not Galvo point out that God reveals through holy spirit whether a person is going to heav ...[text shortened]... ulting nor evasive, the only insulting thing here was that silly question to our intelligence.
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by dueceryou continue to tell yourself that deucer, when you actually produce something other than strawmen, personal attacks and attempts at defamation of character, who knows, you may be actually able to substantiate one of your claims.
blah blah blah. I call you out for being dishonest ( and I'm right) and you retreat to your fallback position of yelling "slander" and "persecution". Sorry RC this argument is over, I've already won, it just hasn't sank in for you yet
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI still don't know why they argue and not show scriptures to back up what they believe and are trying to convience us of. If they did use scripture to explain it, they should be able to show other scriptures that confirm what they believe. As we've heard before, "prove scripture by scripture." If the truth is there in one scripture then other scriptures will back it of with confirmation.
you continue to tell yourself that deucer, when you actually produce something other than strawmen, personal attacks and attempts at defamation of character, who knows, you may be actually able to substantiate one of your claims.
They have done none of that.
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI still don't know why they argue and not show scriptures to back up what they believe and are trying to convience us of. If they did use scripture to explain it, they should be able to show other scriptures that confirm what they believe. As we've heard before, "prove scripture by scripture." If the truth is there in one scripture then other scriptures will back it of with confirmation.
you continue to tell yourself that deucer, when you actually produce something other than strawmen, personal attacks and attempts at defamation of character, who knows, you may be actually able to substantiate one of your claims.
They have done none of that.
11 Sep 10
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Originally posted by galveston75it is because often the reasons are based purely on emotion and devoid of reason, that is why we often get a purely emotional response, name calling (Raj) , defamation of character (deucer), belittlement (thinkofone), assigning to us values we do not have (fabian) etc etc
I still don't know why they argue and not show scriptures to back up what they believe and are trying to convience us of. If they did use scripture to explain it, they should be able to show other scriptures that confirm what they believe. As we've heard before, "prove scripture by scripture." If the truth is there in one scripture then other scriptures will back it of with confirmation.
They have done none of that.
You and I have been taught to try to think about these things for ourselves, to exercise our conscience, to try to draw our own conclusions based on scripture and try to come to some sort of consensus in unity.
(1 Corinthians 1:10) . . .Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. . .
(Romans 12:2) . . .by making your mind over, that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
how many issues are Christendoms churches facing because of having relegated scripture while you and i enjoy unity and oneness of purpose??
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75Sorry for the double post..Dumb computer...Lol.
I still don't know why they argue and not show scriptures to back up what they believe and are trying to convience us of. If they did use scripture to explain it, they should be able to show other scriptures that confirm what they believe. As we've heard before, "prove scripture by scripture." If the truth is there in one scripture then other scriptures will back it of with confirmation.
They have done none of that.
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI watched a National Geographic show early this week about the book of Revelation. It had about 8 or so bible experts from different religious schools and academies, etc, all committing on what they think Revelation means.
it is because often the reasons are based purely on emotion and devoid of reason, that is why we often get a purely emotional response, name calling (Raj) , defamation of character (deucer), belittlement (thinkofone), assigning to us values we do not have (fabian) etc etc
You and I have been taught to try to think about these things for ourselves ...[text shortened]... acing because of having relegated scripture while you and i enjoy unity and oneness of purpose??
Lol. No one agreed on what this Bible book means or is telling us or warning us at all. It was amazing how with all their Biblical education that no one agreed and even admitted that they really just don't know.
But not only is it crystal clear to us but we all agree, which is the way the truth of a matter should be.
11 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75You're the one believeing in the bible. Not me. Don't apply the bible on me.
I'm wondering how you might be applying this scripture to yourself? Do you have this quality?
If you don't believe in Math 5:5, you show that very clear. Very unchristian of you, if I might say so. When I see how you behave, I'm glad that I'm not christian.
So why not follow the words of Math 5:5?