@RJHinds

Originally posted by galveston75
And here as usual you don't answer a very simple question. I've asked over and over about the missing third part of this trinity mystery of the Holy Spirit, where it should be if it were truly a 3rd part of this godhead thingy in this situation and as of today, still no answer. Not there, not standing on the sideline watching, not on a throne or even nea ...[text shortened]... simple answer.


((((((((((((((((((((( Where is the Holy Spirit here? )))))))))))))))))))))

The Holy Spirit is invisible and He is God also. He not only is in heaven,
He is also on the earth. So now, that I have answered that silly question,
will you acknowledge that the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong to deny
the worship and honor to the Son as they say should be given to the Father
and, in so doing, dishonor the Father as Jesus has said?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Do I use too much salt for you?

no not enough, your text is as a bland as scampi and chips.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Holy Spirit is invisible and He is God also. He not only is in heaven,
He is also on the earth. So now, that I have answered that silly question,
will you acknowledge that the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong to deny
the worship and honor to the Son as they say should be given to the Father
and, in so doing, dishonor the Father as Jesus has said?

Your'e really not getting the point here with these questions are you? The two beings of this godhead, Jehovah and Jesus or YHWH and Jesus or whatever titles your using today are spoken of many many times in the Bible as being together either in person such as Revelation does here with the throne and one setting beside the other or just being of the same thought or purpose or plans or whatever the situation is being spoken of at that time, the holy spirit is never there, not spoken of as having the power or authority as the other 2 have, being equal to Jehovah or Jesus, not a saviour, not a King and not even having a name and from what the scriptures show, he doesn't have much of a say so in anything.
So I know all the theories you and Manny come up with. Theories that are not even consistant when they are explained.
So these ideas of the equality and all knowing and all powerful are just empty thoughts. It's not real

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no not enough, your text is as a bland as scampi and chips.

Sorry, I guess I'm getting to be a boring Guy in my old age.
You will see what I mean in a few years if you live long enough.
But as your elder, who has more knowledge about Christianity,
you should take my advice and dump the JW's and the NWT.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Sorry, I guess I'm getting to be a boring Guy in my old age.
You will see what I mean in a few years if you live long enough.
But as your elder, who has more knowledge about Christianity,
you should take my advice and dump the JW's and the NWT.

Well I'm not being disrespectful by any means and there is a possiblity you may know some facts or names and places more then me, but it's not quantity, it's quality that counts. All the truths in the Bible are simply that, truths. No mysteries or opinions or doctrines, just truths.
I learn more everyday and the more I learn and study is the farther such man made doctrines as the trintiy distance itself from the Bible and the simple truths it has.
Jehovah is God and one God as the Bible cleary says. Jesus is his son just I am my fathers son. My father produced me just as Jehovah produced or created his son Jesus.
The holy spirit is the force God uses to accomplish his will and plans. Nothing more nothing less.
Very, very basic Bible truths and facts.

Originally posted by galveston75
Your'e really not getting the point here with these questions are you? The two beings of this godhead, Jehovah and Jesus or YHWH and Jesus or whatever titles your using today are spoken of many many times in the Bible as being together either in person such as Revelation does here with the throne and one setting beside the other or just being of the same ...[text shortened]... ideas of the equality and all knowing and all powerful are just empty thoughts. It's not real

Well it really doesn't matter to me if God in three persons is all knowing
or all powerful. The fact is God is a hell of a lot more knowing and
powerful than the whole human race together. That is good enough for
me and it should be good enough for anyone.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well it really doesn't matter to me if God in three persons is all knowing
or all powerful. The fact is God is a hell of a lot more knowing and
powerful than the whole human race together. That is good enough for
me and it should be good enough for anyone.

(This is not the first time I've mentioned this), but methinks that the inherent problem with traditional christian thinking (and other theists), is that they create a division between themselves and ""God"" .
With our thinking we create the world,(via our speech and actions or lack of), well we create our own lives anyway.
If you want to understand the the universe (god), then you will need a holistic approach. Any approach may do, but it needs to be holistic and all-inclusive rather than devisive. As soon as you say something like "God and I" you have created a dualism.
Is anyone following this line of thought? Is it clear?

Originally posted by galveston75
Well I'm not being disrespectful by any means and there is a possiblity you may know some facts or names and places more then me, but it's not quantity, it's quality that counts. All the truths in the Bible are simply that, truths. No mysteries or opinions or doctrines, just truths.
I learn more everyday and the more I learn and study is the farther su ...[text shortened]... ish his will and plans. Nothing more nothing less.
Very, very basic Bible truths and facts.

If you think there are no mysteries in the Holy Bible, then you are mistaken.
Jesus speaks of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 13:11)
and the mysteries of the kingdom of God (Luke 8:10) . Paul also speaks of
the mysteries of God in 1 Corinthians 2:7, 4:1, 13:2, 14:2, 15:51;
Romans 11:25, 16:25; Ephesians 1:9; Colossians 2:2; and Revelation 10:7
where it is written, "but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when
he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached
to His servants the prophets." The mystery of Christ is also mentioned in
Ephesians 3:3-4, 5:32, and Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3. Paul speaks of the
mystery of the gospel in ephesians 6:19. The mystery of iniquity is spoken
of in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. Then there is the mystery of the faith and the
mystery of godliness spoken of in 1 Timothy 3:9 and 3:16. There are also
other mysteries in the book of Revelations. So we are not short of mysteries
in the Holy Bible. It seems that you are learning more and more of the
false teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses and not anything about the true
mysteries in the Holy Bible.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
(This is not the first time I've mentioned this), but methinks that the inherent problem with traditional christian thinking (and other theists), is that they create a division between themselves and ""God"" .
With our thinking we create the world,(via our speech and actions or lack of), well we create our own lives anyway.
If you want to understand ...[text shortened]... d I" you have created a dualism.
Is anyone following this line of thought? Is it clear?

Clear as mud.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you think there are no mysteries in the Holy Bible, then you are mistaken.
Jesus speaks of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 13:11)
and the mysteries of the kingdom of God (Luke 8:10) . Paul also speaks of
the mysteries of God in 1 Corinthians 2:7, 4:1, 13:2, 14:2, 15:51;
Romans 11:25, 16:25; Ephesians 1:9; Colossians 2:2; and Revelatio ...[text shortened]... hing of the Jehovah's Witnesses and not anything about the true
mysteries in the Holy Bible.

Well many of these things may still be mysteries to you but the Bible made it clear that as time would pass the light of the Bible would become clearer and clearer.
The Bible was written for humans and if all that was written in it were to remain a mystery then it would do us no good, ever.
This is where God's holy spirit comes in with teaching us and thru prayer in asking God to let us learn the Bible completely and to abandon any and all paganistic beliefs that hinder ones understanding of truth, such as the trinity.
Point is yes these were mysteries when writtten. They were not intended to be understood then. But we do completely understand them all now as we all should.
So if you still don't understand what you call mysteries in the Bible, something is missing and something is hindering you to understand.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well many of these things may still be mysteries to you but the Bible made it clear that as time would pass the light of the Bible would become clearer and clearer.
The Bible was written for humans and if all that was written in it were to remain a mystery then it would do us no good, ever.
This is where God's holy spirit comes in with teaching us a ...[text shortened]... all mysteries in the Bible, something is missing and something is hindering you to understand.

If you claim to understand all the mysteries of the Holy Bible then you are
a liar. I know you don't understand the mystery of the Trinity of God. You
don't know that the Holy Spirit is a person in the Godhead. You think He
is just some type of force like the wind blowing and that's all. The Holy
Spirit hasn't taught you anything or you would know this. I am sorry that
I must be so blunt, but you are doomed unless you break away from the
lies of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Satan and stop lying yourself and
accept Yahshua as your Lord God and Savior.

Originally posted by galveston75
It only looks that way because you want it too.
Is this not speaking of (((((( 2 )))))) beings? God and the lamb? Where is the 3rd being of this trinity the holy spirit at here? It seems no one is questioning this fact of it not being spoken of and all the other verses that pertain to this part of Revelation.
If it is equally god and the same as the ...[text shortened]... y've accomplished?

I will comment on your other post later this morning. Going back to bed.

It looks that way because it is!!!! I did not write the bible LOL It is what it is. Both get the glory. God the father does not say NO!! No Glory to the Lamb instead Glory is shown to be given to the lamb. Jesus the Lamb says repeatedly let the churches hear what who says?????????? The Spirit. All there in the book of Revelation.




Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
Well many of these things may still be mysteries to you but the Bible made it clear that as time would pass the light of the Bible would become clearer and clearer.
The Bible was written for humans and if all that was written in it were to remain a mystery then it would do us no good, ever.
This is where God's holy spirit comes in with teaching us a ...[text shortened]... all mysteries in the Bible, something is missing and something is hindering you to understand.

i think in future i will refuse to discuss the trinity my reasoning being id rather discuss what is actually in the Bible as opposed to what is not.

Originally posted by galveston75
Your'e really not getting the point here with these questions are you? The two beings of this godhead, Jehovah and Jesus or YHWH and Jesus or whatever titles your using today are spoken of many many times in the Bible as being together either in person such as Revelation does here with the throne and one setting beside the other or just being of the same ...[text shortened]... ideas of the equality and all knowing and all powerful are just empty thoughts. It's not real

You keep insisting that I answer your question about where is the Holy Spirit;
but why then do you ignore my question about the Jehovah's Witnesses being
wrong in not honoring the Son as they honor the Father?

The Jehovah's Witnesses insist that the Holy Spirit is not the third person
of the Godhead and is not God at all, but only God's actve force. They say
that God's force is being personified like "wisdom" in the Old Testament.
However, they attempt to prove that the most unholy spirit, Satan the devil,
is a personal being. They say the fact that Satan carries on conversations,
and is called a manslayer, a liar, a father (in a spiritual sense) and a ruler
(John 8:44; 14:30) proves he is a person. The JW's say only an intelligent
person could fit all those descriptions. (AWAKE!--December 8, 1973)

If you use the same logic, the Holy Spirit also carries on coverstions. In
Acts 13:2 the Holy Spirit personnally spoke to the church in Antioch telling
them to "set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work which I have called
them." The Holy Spirit is a person because He is our "Teacher" and our
"Comforter" (John 16:7, 13) . As a person He speaks, He wills, He has a
mind, and His own power (Rev. 2:7; 1 Cor. 12:11; Rom. 8:27; and 15:19) .
Like any person, the Holy Spirit can be insulted (Hebrews 10:29) and grieved
(Ephesians 4:30) . The disciples first teaher and helper was Jesus and He
told them, "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that
He may be with you forever." (John 14:16) So wherever the believers are
there also is the Holy Spirit as Helper, regardless if it is in heaven or on
earth. So even though the Holy Spirit is not spoken of as being present
in the scene in Revelations that you are referring to, it should be understood
that He is there, without saying.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you claim to understand all the mysteries of the Holy Bible then you are
a liar. I know you don't understand the mystery of the Trinity of God. You
don't know that the Holy Spirit is a person in the Godhead. You think He
is just some type of force like the wind blowing and that's all. The Holy
Spirit hasn't taught you anything or you would know th ...[text shortened]... itnesses and Satan and stop lying yourself and
accept Yahshua as your Lord God and Savior.

Actually they are crystal clear to me......No mystery here.