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A conversation John Lennox and Jordan B Peterson

A conversation John Lennox and Jordan B Peterson

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@kellyjay said
Yes, and I promise you even if you disengage they will continue because it isn't topics that matter they only really desire to go after people.
If this is a reference to me, then you are flat out lying, KellyJay. In response to ideas, opinions, and perspectives on a range of topics that you have posted on this public forum in 2023, I have posted literally hundreds of completely on-topic and focused observations, rebuttals, and questions. All have been met with silence ever since your meltdown towards the end of 2022. So, if your claim that "it isn't topics that matter [he] only really desires to go after people" is aimed at me, then you are a liar. Having said that, your inability/ unwillingness to enter into discourse IS part of the discourse.

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@fmf said
when the topic becomes the person

Well, the topic IS "the person": Jordan Peterson. It's in the thread title. I see him as, for the most part, a charlatan and grifter.
That's not what I meant.

When the topic is about a person, then discussing something about the person is fine by me, but I was referring to how often, in this forum, the discussion drifts from the topic to the person expressing their opinions and beliefs about the topic matter, and devolves into personal criticisms.

But I agree with your assessment of Peterson.

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@fmf said
This is more than a bit rich coming from you, of all people, a poster whose go-to "debating points" for years have been to accuse people you disagree with of suffering from mental illness and intellectual impairment ad nauseam.
There you go.

Thanks for making my point.

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@kellyjay said
Yes, and I promise you even if you disengage they will continue because it isn't topics that matter they only really desire to go after people.
Constantly poking at the person, and deflecting from the topic.

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@josephw said
There you go.

Thanks for making my point.
Whoosh

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@josephw said
Constantly poking at the person, and deflecting from the topic.
Topics are not important to them, they are just a means they use to enter into a conversation to drag someone down that disagrees with them. Many times the topic isn't even addressed, they jump in just to disparage others without a pretense of entering into a topical conversation.

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@kellyjay said
Topics are not important to them, they are just a means they use to enter into a conversation to drag someone down that disagrees with them. Many times the topic isn't even addressed, they jump in just to disparage others without a pretense of entering into a topical conversation.
Obviously we're just country bumpkins.
In their estimation there's no way we can know God as God wants to be known.

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@kellyjay said
Yes, and I promise you even if you disengage they will continue because it isn't topics that matter they only really desire to go after people.
What utter nonsense.

Both yourself and Josephw play this victimhood card way too often in this forum, while simultaneously throwing out all manner of vile abuse and name calling.

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@josephw said
Obviously we're just country bumpkins.
In their estimation there's no way we can know God as God wants to be known.
Stop being childish Joseph. This is a discussion forum, if you don’t want to be challenged on your beliefs then don’t come here.

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@divegeester said
Stop being childish Joseph. This is a discussion forum, if you don’t want to be challenged on your beliefs then don’t come here.
Challenged is one thing. Berated and persecuted is quite another.

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@suzianne said
Challenged is one thing. Berated and persecuted is quite another.
Links please.

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@divegeester said
Links please.
What, you don't have them in your files?

Of course you don't.

Some selective listening, that.

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@suzianne said
Challenged is one thing. Berated and persecuted is quite another.
I completely agree.

Shall we bookmark this one along with you completely agreeing the other day? Maybe we should meet up and see if there are other things we agree on.

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@suzianne said
What, you don't have them in your files?

Of course you don't.

Some selective listening, that.
No I don’t have links to your claims of incidences betraying and persecution.

Do you?

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@divegeester said
No I don’t have links to your claims of incidences betraying and persecution.

Do you?
More embellishment?

I said berated, not betrayed.

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